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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by zeldazipple, Aug 11, 2006.
All I ever get is the random group coming in and stumbling on my stuff.
Bump... seems I'm not alone. A LOT of people have started complaining about people who do nothing but post OTHER people's work, screen caps, scan of comics... and all that stuff.
I only have an issue with art theft (posting other people's work)... other than that, I don't think there's any problem with screencaps or scans of comics, because most of the time, there's really nowhere else you can see them.
Yeah, but that's what photobucket is for. The only screen cap I have in my collection is:
A) a photo manipulation
B) used in a Youtube Poop I did
and C) in my scraps.
I do NOT like people posting screencaps or scans at all. I'll give motivators/demotivators the benefit of the doubt, but at LEAST do something with those caps.
Besides, you know how to make a screen cap, right? You just go to a video or something and hit print screen. And they get MORE views than someone drawing a recreation of it. THAT'S what bugs me.
Okay, yeah, you've got some points there Drtooth.
Getting back to art theft, I am honestly surprised I've managed to stay under the radar as long as I had... I think after being on dA for nearly three years, I've only been victimized by art theft on two occasions around this time last year... and I REALLY didn't understand the "editing" behind the thief's part: he/she re-outlined some of my pics (looks like in MS Paint, because it was pretty shoddy). The ugliest piece of work was when a pic I did of Simon and Jeanette wearing 2009 glasses for New Years, and the thief TRIED to edit it to make it look like they were wearing 2010 glasses.
Other than that, I've been pretty much been in the clear. I know art theft happens all the time, but the best thing anyone can do is simply report the stolen art, which usually results in the thief being banned.
Argh, tell me about it, and you're right about the pageviews. =/ My friend got a feature, and although she's a good sort and I don't want to ruffle her feathers, it wasn't even her photo, and I had no idea where the original came from. I understand for an ID you might use someone else to take a photo (I'd give them credit, or mention their account if they had one), but this was just a random photo which she apparently edited by putting a chalky-ish filter over it. I would never put a screencap or someone else's work (eg; as you said, a comic, even a random pic from goggle images) on dA, it's even worse when they don't admit that it's not their work, though. .__. Can't lie, that's a pet peeve mine. I put screencaps up on my tumblr and sometimes on flickr (as well as scans from mags, comics, etc) and I /always/ put where the source where they came from. But seriously, on dA? No matter how much you alter a pic (eg; putting a photoshop filter over a pic), you're really not fooling anyone. I probably sound pretentious, but even though I'm not pro at least I put up my own work and I'm not some phony. I can understand a picture for a motivator/de-motivator, though. I "faved" a lot of them, but I actually refuse to fave something that has been taken from google images (not that it makes much differences on an art site, but at least put where you got it from) or just a screencap, you know. I know I sound a bit edgy about it all, but it's just common sense, you know?
/rant [but an appropriate one]
Mm, and rightly so, though I'm sorry to hear that, art theft is terrible. Mind you, I haven't experienced it online. Though art theft on the internet is a growing concern, so thankfully more people are on-the-ball regarding it and taking action. And obviously, outside of **~teh intarrgghhwebzz**~ and in Real Life art-theft is so much more serious. Has anyone looked at the code of ethics? I rest my case. You wouldn't get away with claiming that you 'created' screencaps, I can tell you that now. But yeah, different situation. Don't they teach this in, like, year 9 art?
I'm having a real love/hate relationship with groups. They have single-handedly moved my work into popularity I had hoped for for years. They're great exposure, and some of them are great to follow just for the great stuff they feature.
On the other hand, the fickle group admins can sometimes be a bit too cranky and strict when accepting (or rather declining) deviations, or take waaaaaaay too long to accept a piece of art. Plus, I'm a member of so many groups, that my messages are always in the thousands, alerting me to pieces I have zero desire to see. There are a few groups I adore being a part of. Vector artists and poster designs have some of the most inspiring art I can hope to see, and of course, I always look forward to the Jim Henson Connection features which post art from a lot of talented artists from right here on MC!
I haven't had too many problems with groups I belong to.
Most of them automatically approve the deviation you submit, so it appears immediately, but some (like Jim Henson Connection) do have to be approved by admins/mods first, and sometimes it can take a while. I think it took them a week or so approve my last two pics last month.
And I too have noticed some groups are becoming a bit declining on submissions as well with rules like "Only one submission per deviant per month" and stuff like that.
Well, I'm not bothering submitting to any other groups, I left one out of disgust... And I'm thinking of, while keeping the page up, ending any artistic endeavors of any freaking kind.
I've had it with trying to share anything I do online. I get more views putting stuff up on a refrigerator. The internet SU-U-U-U-U-UCKS!
Sounds like somebody's in a bit of a bad mood today...
Look pal, it's like I've told you before, people who watch you are mostly watching you for a specific kind of fandom you're a part of. What do you find of your art gets the most recognition? As I've said many times before, when I joined dA, I was really active in the Chipmunk fandom, and as such, that's what people were watching me for, and because that, that's the kind of art of mine that gets the most views, comments, favorites, etc. When you do something different, unless that also happens to be a fandom any of your watchers are into, it's not necessarily going to get as much attention, because it's not what they've come to expect.
That said, persistence is also a key: it took me a while, but now I'm happy to say that my Muppet art has really taken off in the past couple of months or so, I'm REALLY flabbergasted at how the likes of Santa Cookie, and Chester A. Bum moving next door to Oscar have become as popular as they are now (the latter almost being an overnight sensation with not just Muppet fans, but That Guy With The Glasses fans too). Nostalgia is also a good source of interest as well, especially is that part of nostalgia has had a big impact on pop culture, but you do have to admit, there comes a point in time when certain pop culture facets (ala "Mama Luigi") can become just so much that it becomes a bit of overkill.
Now, I have to be honest with you Drtooth, I'm surprised your having the trouble you are with dA, because have a bit of an advantage with your art: you art is diverse, in that you do art of almost everything, therefore, there's a little bit of something for everybody. I watch other artists who do similar, and they're always popular with watchers, and get a lot of attention... groups aside, I find it hard to believe that your not getting the views you desire, mainly because your art is really so fricken awesome all the time, who wouldn't be drawn to it?
Again, groups seem to do more harm than help, and I think it's beginning to show: some of the groups I belong to, I'll visit the group profile, and see a recent news item from the group founder/admin saying "Gee, this group is so dead anymore, nobody's submitting anything, does anybody out there have any art 2 submit 2 da group 4 us plz?" Another thing that hurts groups too is that I don't think half of the people who start groups really know what they're doing... some of the groups I've seen, the comments are flooded with "Why can't I join?", "It says I can't join," "Are you accepting new members right now or not?", the priviledges that the admin is given as far as allowing people to join the group and whatnot ARE rather confusing, and the settings don't make a whole lot of sense, which is why it seems like there's two kinds of groups I see: groups where you're automatically approved when you join (as is your art when you submit it, like a couple of M*A*S*H groups I belong to), and groups where nobody can join unless the admin just happens to send you an invite). Only the GOOD groups (like both Henson ones) seem to have any sort of regular maintence from the group staff: you can join, but you have to be approved by the staff first, as does your art when you submit it.
Well, said art work I submitted and was rejected was because the group doesn't accept "crossovers" when the thing was clearly a parody (and they came to me and asked for the submission of something that WAS!)... and I didn't get that answer right away, nor did I see any of those in Da Rules, but I kinda took it personally... not so much that it wasn't accepted as no one said "we can't because of ______" That said, the stuff that routinely goes through that one is very high quality... but it's definately done by people with better computer art studios than mine.
The problem is, I draw what I like. I've been drawing Dr. Robotnik since WAAAAAY before the internet had places to share such stuff. I draw it still because he's one of the funnest characters to draw. But I also draw a lot of stuff I stumble onto that no one has heard of. And that's when I do the best work.
Now, I'll spare you the "I was supposed to be an assistant to the assistant to the storyboard artist at a medium time cartoon company by now" speech, since there was just too much stopping me there. I have almost 400 pictures, and the only ones that aren't memes only get faved by watchers. Now I got REALLY lucky with my Invader Zim piece... but everything else falls to the bottom of the pile because it isn't a stolen screengrab (That's what PHOTOBUCKET is for) or doesn't have someone tied up, 900 pounds, or a closeup of their feet or something like that.
One little problem I have with dA from time to time is, and please don't think I'm refering to you Drtooth, is the whole depression routine.
Whenever you least expect it, a random deviant, who does absolutely wonderful artwork, and almost always has a tremendous response (comments, favorites, etc), will go into this deep depression, saying that nobody likes their work, they've lost their desire to continue making their art, and decides to delete everything they've ever uploaded, and go into seclusion because nobody cares... then half of the time, they come back, and all their work is restored.
Now, I know depression is serious stuff, I've dealt with it myself in the past before, BUT, anytime this happens, I find myself questioning the deviant's motives... are they REALLY and TRULY suffering from depression, and are deleting their art and closing their accounts because they truly lost their desire and passion for their art... OR, is it some kind of apathetic cry for attention, so more people will comment and favorite their work?
To me, it seems like MOST of the time, it's actually the latter, because I've seen a few deviants go through this, and maybe only... one or two who actually never did return, nor restore their artwork.
Well even that can be a sign of depression. Going through desperate, pathetic attempts to get noticed because you think it's the only way.
Speaking for myself, it's extremely frustrating when people only like you for certain things, and you get massive tumbleweeds when you do something obscure and time consuming. I mean, SERIOUSLY! Why do I do stuff that only 30 Year old Japanese and or Italian people would like or even remember? And why can't I get the audience OF nostalgic Japanese or Italians? Well, I'm never doing Muteking again... Dunno if I should bother keeping up with Osomatsu-kun either... But I did some Darkwing Duck stuff that got an electrifying response lately.
I think you just described the mind set of every artist through history, lol. Sometimes you just have to go where the attention is.
Like I said, it's been the same with me and people only liking my Chipmunk artwork... it took a little while but my Muppet art HAS caught on, and part of it is thanks to the two Henson groups I joined.
Last night, I SORT of broadened my audience, because I found a couple of new groups I could contribute to, one of which I didn't even have to join to contribute: one is for artwork that's "under-appreciated" (which again, is mostly anything that doesn't fall under Chipmunks, Muppets, or M*A*S*H, and this even includes gift art), and a really popular group called "FantasticFemales", and one pic I did of Gretchen and the Pale Kids from Recess turned out to be a little bit of a hit with people. Matter of fact, just about all I contributed to that group has already gotten a couple of more favorites and such.
Unfortunately... that's kind of the opposite of what you've been going through with groups, isn't it?
Well...I finally bit the bullet and joined. Oddly, the thing that got the most reaction so far (I've only uploaded 5 things) was a drawing that was an exact copy of some video game cover art I dont get that
I've found that nothing is as easy to get favs because of number of fans as people often say it is. Drawing anime or any sort of fanart is no shortcut. To get noticed, truly noticed, even if it is fanart (which is all I draw because I like drawing it, not because others do) it has to be good...
True you have the oddball watchers who will fav anything (I have one of those) and the fetish followers (who will fav anything that shows a certain subject) but all and all viewers will come back to you if you draw at least halfway well...There is more than a sea of doodles on lined paper on DA after all
I had someone fav a picture of a bonfire...which is a nice picture, but still XD
I'm not going to beat myself up over not getting fans. I just want the satisfaction that my art isnt sitting in a closet somewhere never seeing the light of day. And I know I'm...eh...ok at best. I'm nowhere near a good enough artist to get loads of fans.
Speaking of which I need to dig out my drawing of floyd. I made sure that picture lived. (I lost all my other muppet drawings)
I mainly go on DA now to look at street art, stickers and other such acts of vandalism, I also check drawing things that interest me every now and then. I don't think the site is stuck up at all, if anything I think that it's the opposite. I'm not going to rag on about what is and isn't "art" but the sheer volume of tacky, 2 minute fanart drawings which seem to involve as little cognitive processing as possible annoys me immensely. My other problem with the site is when people (generally people involved with manga style drawing and or furry fandom) post their art under the wrong category. I mean, 3/4 of the stuff under "Installation art" is not installation art at all, rather just pencil on paper drawings. Illustration - Storybook also seems rather clogged up with things that don't fit the criteria at all, fanart and anime/manga have their own categories on the site, the site is categorised for ease of use, but that ease of use is comprimised when people seem to put in submissions willy-nilly.
Rant over, phew.
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