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Anyone else think that D A is a bit stuck up?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by zeldazipple, Aug 11, 2006.

  1. Redsonga Active Member

    I'm not bitter at all, and I'm almost the same age as you. It really isn't an age linked thing, and it certainly isn't a give in with age and being a part of fandoms on the internet :p
  2. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Again, I must stress this conversation is about (and I'm putting this in bold) Deviant Art being yet another place to bitterly whine about politics. Basically like everything else on the internet now. There's a great video that I can't share here I saw somewhere about it... something about Youtube comments. Again, everything's become so bitter, heated and hateful that it's no fun to be caught in the middle, and harder and harder to ignore. That's why Bill Breathed stopped writing/drawing Opus.


    As for maturity, Maturity has little to do with what you like and very much to do with how you act. I'm not calling you immature at all... you can sleep in a bed with My Little Pony sheets still on it and it's still more mature than someone acting up. People CAN get along and act their age when talking about childish things, but when people talk about supposedly grown up things, they're shockingly childish about it.
  3. heralde Well-Known Member

    You know the other day I saw a comment on the Web where someone made a nasty comment about Republicans, and then stopped himself and said something like, "I'm sorry I said that, I mean, most of my family are Republicans and I love them all. I don't know where all the animosity comes from."
  4. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've said it before, and I keep this to a minimum, but the animosity comes from people who are PAID to tell everyone what to think. Paid opinions and (worse) paid conspiracy theories are ruining the mindset of the country, and souring everyone... not to mention it helps to lump people into the very same stereotypes they keep saying they're not part of, but do NOTHING to denounce.

    It's the whole toxic bully relationship that's the problem... one person says something nasty, hateful, untrue and completely uncalled for, and the other side has to do the same thing, passive aggressively and tantamount to a "Yeah? Well... SAME TO YOU, BUDDY" (again, picture a flustered Jon Arbuckle saying that). And it just makes the first side madder, and it just is a vicious cycle.

    The only people who even MAKE any dang sense are comedians, and no one puts stock in them because they have this whole attitude of "Shut up and let the grownups talk... boy that Obama is a poopy pants!" There's no rationality or FACTS anymore.

    That said, I'd be lying if I didn't say that a certain side is a LOT more vocal than the other. More vocal and bile-spewing. If I see one more cheap tacky photoshop demotivate of Joker-bama (hey! Created by overpaid, a-moral, hypocritical squawking head Lush..err... Rush Limbaugh to scare his fanbase)... well... I'm just gonna p and m over the whole thing cause there's no talking sense into anyone who's angry (at the wrong people) enough to believe that.

    No... I totally saw that episode of Batman where the Joker apologizes and defends himself for stuff the Scarecrow said he did that he didn't and NOTHING HAPPENED... :rolleyes:
  5. heralde Well-Known Member

    That's why I have some serious doubts about the current two party system. It's all about belonging to a side and defending that side. Rather than help improve the nation, it's just brought out the Middle Schooler in people.

    Well the main thing is that Republicans have been more successful on radio, so yeah they do have more voices in that respect. But given the chance, Democrats are just as nasty and just as ignorant. They just don't bring in the ratings for whatever reason (though as a critic, I think it's because they tend to lack a sense of humor ;) ).

    Really I just don't have time for either group anymore, lol.
  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I never heard so much as bile from most "popular" Left speakers, but a LOT of passive aggressive patheticness. I'm sure there are some really loud ones, but even the loudest one can't make a buck with their rhetoric... Air America folded WHILE Bush was still in the White House. What does that say to you?

    That said, I keep applauding people like Ben Stein who at LEAST argue the facts in the tone of an ADULT, without hatemongering, fearbasing, scary catchphrases and all that garbage.

    That said, comparing politicians to cartoon villains offends me as a CARTOON fan. Seriously, if the Joker WAS president, he'd just shoot laughing gas at Congress until they pass something. On second thought, I'd RATHER have the Joker in there than any party. Maybe the Riddler too. I'd say Mojo Jojo, but that gives away the ending of the Powerpuff Girls 10th anniversary special.
  7. heralde Well-Known Member

    As far as Democrats failure on the radio, in my opinion Democrats take themselves too seriously, spend too much time preaching and frankly insulting the very people they want (and need) to support them.

    The Republicans may not care about the working class, but the key is that they pretend they do, lol. That's why they're successful. The Democrats show contempt and not much else.

    Ben Stein is awesome, he signed my notebook when he came to my school, lol. He wrote, "Be focused!" ;)
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I couldn't have said it better myself. It's all the fact that one side chides the other side while that other side just reassures their base and tells them that things that are bad for them are GOOD for them. I dunno about you, but I'd hate to see a doctor that told me to eat everything I want and not to exercise and things will be fine, NOR do I want to see a doctor that says I'm a disgusting piece of crap and I should die for not taking care of myself. Middle ground. And no one wants the middle ground because they don't think it can change things, or it will be profitable.

    Anyone, even someone I completely disagree with, as long as they say it calm and with some respect for the other side I'll listen to. But people love to see Glen Beck carry on like a crazy homeless bum with crackpot conspiracy theories that put tabloid stories about Alien Elvis laying eggs in people's brains to shame. Nor will I listen to someone who just says nasty stuff ONLY because they feel so offended they have to passive aggressively defend themselves by taking others down.

    That said, yes... I get the bitterness and anger at the wrong people (it's the billion dollar megaconglomerates, people), but that has a time and place... and turning Baby Plucky Duck's Potty Years episode into a tirade about Acorn does NOTHING but kill the fun of Baby Plucky Duck! Comparing Obama to the Legion of Doom only KILLS the fun of the Legion of Doom.
  9. heralde Well-Known Member

    Perfectly explained! :)

    Good point, why drag innocent cartoons into this mess?

    Yeah I'd say the Riddler as well, but especially if it's Frank Gorshin, lol.
  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Cartoons can take a political standpoint if they want to, sure... South Park and The Simpsons (to name only 2) do it all the time... but when people use those cartoons to make a statement, and a nasty, snarky, bitter one at that, it gets ME down as a cartoonist/cartoon fan.

    Now, I'm dropping the subject ALL together and brining up something happy.

    I just LOVE it when foreign users like my stuff... though, I almost seem to cater to them... but they like the stuff I mostly do that's American or at least well known here. Like I always say, I kill myself doing Paperinik and Lucky Luke and Yatterman stuff, but people in other countries REALLY like the stuff I do from here. Go fig.
  11. heralde Well-Known Member

    Lol, well I guess that makes sense, they want something that's new that they don't see very often. It's like when you go to another country and try to speak their language, but they really want to practice their English, lol.
  12. Redsonga Active Member

    I just don't bring politics into DA at all, or even facebook for that matter. I keep it to myself. And I have this thing that turns off all youtube comments https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-comment-snob/ so I don't have to read them now. Problem solved, and I really don't feel like I am bitter, hiding from anything, or missing anything what so ever. The comments on DA that are actually about my art and the subject of it itself I reply to them, the others I delete or hide, as off topic things just don't belong there. End of story and I move on :).
    Just because something is brought up does not mean I have to reply about it, have what is said color my view on the fandom, or give it the power over me to make me bitter, ya know?

    I'm not saying anyone is more mature, just that things only get as much power over your outlook as you let them. You have 100% control:excited:!
  13. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I DO have a Japanese watcher that actually likes my Osomatsu-kun and Tensai Bakabon stuff. At least SOMEONE knows who they are.

    Really... Fujio Akatsuka REALLY sould help crush misconceptions of what anime is with his loose, cartoony style... too bad he's not well known here. Of course, that was back in the 60's before the popular tropes started coming out. I swear, they deliberately keep the GOOD stuff for themselves.

    Anyway:

    Again, I have no problem with fandoms, no matter how obsessive. It's all political, and I've since dropped the subject. Just... it's frustrating to see such bitterness and anger, and that sort of mood spreads. That said, I've ALWAYS made sure to keep my stuff light. The most negative thing I ever drew was a "Toad > Oogtar" Super Mario World piece... and everyone who saw it agreed.

    Sure, there's stuff I don't like about certain fandoms (why does every cartoon character in the world have to have a small romantic side to them with a character that only appeared once exploited?) but I find it harmless, and just a matter of taste. However, I'll try very hard not to lose it next time when seeing someone else's favorites. But then again, there are things no one should ever bring up among friends for risk of losing them. And such behavior and actions by those people really help kill a good mood.
  14. heralde Well-Known Member

    Cool, I don't know as much about Old School anime, will have to look into that!

    It is very easy for a bad mood to spread, no question, lol. In the end you just have to put it in perspective and not make their bitterness so important. Easier said than done I know.
  15. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    NO ONE knows about it. Well... except either Spain or parts of South America... they got a localized version of a 1980's remake of the shows.

    I DO know for a fact (and this is how old these comics are) back when the Beatles toured Japan in the 60's, John Lennon posed for pictures doing a certain pose of one of the characters. It's apparently big enough over there for it to have been referenced several times too.
  16. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeesh, I really don't know much of what's going on here... I've been out of action for over a couple of weeks now, and the only chances I've had to get on dA for anything is any chance I get to come to the library. :smirk:

    Alls I know is I got tons of messages to look through (mostly favorites and watches, not a whole lot of comments), as well as the art of others I watch to catch up on...

    Drtooth, I hope you'll like the actual art of Mumford and Orko "cooperating" on a peanut butter sandwich trick when I can make it available.
  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I favorited the one you posted already. Love that bad magician duo! Almost something I would draw....
  18. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I know, I figured that as I drew it.

    But, getting back on the subject of dA and stuck-up-ness, I've been drug into a rather ridiculous feud with another member over there in recent months or so, it's almost like the infamous AVGN Vs Nostalgia Critic feud, only without all the fun, lol. This brings up to mind another problem that's plaguing dA as far as fandoms are concerned...

    Politics aside, dA has pretty much become a place for people to get into wars over cannon and mixed couples in fandoms... and that's pretty much how I got drug into this feud: some random artist, out of the clear blue, one day, a while back, singled me out for commenting on a mixed couples pic, and even got me involved in a long-winded PM debate on why mixed couples are better than cannon, when I couldn't possibly care less... I usually ship cannon, but I'm open-minded toward mixed, even though half the time they're unrealistic because most mixed couples are the result of odd wishful thinking on the fans' parts.

    Luckily, I'm not the only one who feels this way, an artist I watch recently posted a journal regarding how ridiculous the flame wars are getting amongst fandoms (and wouldn't you know my nemesis once again tries to single me out after I commented on the journal).

    But at any rate, I pretty much ignore anytime my dA nemesis makes wisecracks towards me anyway, because it seems like half the time she does it out of boredom (like commenting on one of my most popular pics saying it was "disturbing")... one of her more recent cracks actually made me chuckle for once, but that's about it.
  19. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Heh... actually, I planned on drawing Orko with another incompetent magician a while ago, but with a completely different joke...

    You'll see it when I get a chance to draw it. :)

    But cool stuff, as always. Thanks for dedicating it to me, you have no idea how much that made my day!
  20. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    No prob man, you deserved, and I can't wait to see your "version" of it as well.

    Okay, now I have this question for other artists on here... does anyone elses besides me have this little "problem": when I draw real people, or people in general, I find that I always have to draw heads at least two sizes or so larger than normal, otherwise, it seems like if I draw the heads at the right size, then the entire drawing somehow seems inproportionate, like the heads appear TOO small compared to the rest of the body. Does this ever occur to any of you guys when you draw people?

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