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Steve Whitmire has left the Muppets, Matt Vogel to continue as Kermit

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by GonzoMan, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    that's just speculation on the part of a guy on a message board nowhere did I read they never liked Whitmire.
     
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  2. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    That make sense.

    Here's what Lisa Said

    "Mr. Whitmire was adamantly opposed to having an understudy for his role, which presented problems when it came to what she called “B-level performances, such as a ribbon-cutting.” She said he was unwilling to appear on some of these occasions but also refused to develop an understudy and that he “blackballed young performers” by refusing to appear on the show with them."
     
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  3. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    from what it sounds like at first things were cool but got worse as time went on just speculation on my part?
     
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  4. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Alright. Let's just make this whole thing a lot simpler.
    • Just because you like Steve, doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong
    • Just because you like Disney, doesn't mean they weren't in the wrong
    There is obviously a lot more to this situation that we don't know, and it is probably better off that way.

    We should obviously respect the casting choices of both Disney and the Henson company, while still being respectful to all involved parties.

    At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and nobody will "win" in this whole ordeal. The best we can do is forgive, forget, and support the future of the Muppets. They need it now more than ever.
     
  5. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    I Couldn't Agree more, I just want this to end. What's done is done.
     
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  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Off topic, but does anyone besides me think as Steve gets older, he looks a little more and more like a mix of Jim and Caroll?
     
  7. ErinAardvark

    ErinAardvark Well-Known Member

    Someone better lock this thread before things turn even uglier than they look now.
     
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  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Yes in some odd way...
     
  9. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member

    Things already look ugly enough in the ToughPigs forum thread about it...
     
  10. ErinAardvark

    ErinAardvark Well-Known Member

    With everything that's being said by Jim's kids, I just don't know who to believe anymore!
     
  11. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    A member of the ToughPigs forum wrote a comment that I wanted to share.

     
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  12. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    Someone better be writing a tell-all book as we speak because this is so interesting.

    Now for my analysis of the situation. This is how I see it, and all opinion.

    I think the main reason why the Henson kids have been quiet until now is because it's kind of poor taste to openly diss someone who works for you and that you have given the opportunity to puppeteer your biggest character. Now that he doesn't work for either company, it's fair game, and I'm eating it all up.

    Maybe at one point, Steve was thought to be a good "replacement" for Jim, so that is why Brian offered the position to him. I would think the other Henson siblings would have been consulted as well, but maybe Brian had the ultimate decision in the end (this would give reason to Cheryl's FB post).

    Obviously somewhere as time went on, Steve began feeling entitled. He didn't feel like the characters were being handled correctly so he started sending notes etc.

    Let me tell you that if you start sending notes to your boss about how to run things, no matter how long you've been working for said company, you WILL be fired. If Steve didn't like how things were going for the Muppets (which he openly says he didn't) then he should have left long ago.

    His line in the recent Inside Edition video really irks me. "I am Kermit, and Kermit is me."

    Why did he think that was a good thing to say. I'm sorry Steve, but you are not, were not, and will not "be" Kermit. Kermit was Jim, and Jim only. Anyone else is just the current embodiment of the character while performing. Nothing more, nothing less. Steve was given the great opportunity to puppeteer Kermit, that doesn't make him sole owner of the character.

    I find it so interesting that 3/4 surviving Henson kids all have such strong opinions against Steve. This means that Steve's alleged behavior has been going on for over 20 years if the kids had on hand experience witnessing Steve's work behavior.

    The more I read about this situation, the more interested I am to know what Steve has possibly prevented from happening, and if he has caused any more drama for the Muppet Studios. I don't like that so many people here are playing Steve as the victim, because he is the only one who has said that he is innocent in this situation. Every other source has said he is hard to work with, demanding, etc.

    Now, I'm saving my thoughts on Matt's Kermit for later this week, but I have faith that Matt will bring more Jim to Kermit than Steve ever did.
     
  13. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    Also this is just a stray thought, but could Steve's behavior been a factor into Frank Oz's departure from the Muppets? He is noticeably absent from Oz's recent Muppet People documentary ....

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  14. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    In fairness, we didn't really hear the full quote. Steve was clearly still talking as the video moved along.
     
  15. Cookie Chris

    Cookie Chris Well-Known Member

    I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but Steve has opened up about his firing in a interview with The Hollywood Reporter. He claims he fired for two reasons: being uncooperative because he disagreed with a script of the canceled Muppets series in which Kermit lies to his nephew Robin that Steve felt was out-of-character and being unable to perform Kermit because of labor union contract negotiations.
     
  16. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I get it, but can you really spin that line any other way?
     
  17. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Steve didn't leave because he thought it was his duty to make sure The Muppets are going in the right direction, as he stated in his blog post.

    "For me the Muppets are not just a job, or a career, or even a passion. They are a calling, an urgent, undeniable, impossible to resist way of life. This is my life’s work since I was 19 years old. I feel that I am at the top of my game, and I want all of you who love the Muppets to know that I would never consider abandoning Kermit or any of the others because to do so would be to forsake the assignment entrusted to me by Jim Henson, my friend and mentor, but even more, my hero."

    Steve is extremely passionate about the Muppets and apparently believes it is his duty to make sure the Muppets are going in the right direction. He has stated in either the Hollywood Reporter interview or the Inside Edition interview (can't remember which one) that whenever someone had a suggestion for a change or something of the sort, they'd always send notes. His bosses seemingly disliked this and fired him as a result.

    If they believe they'll do better without him, and if Steve is truly unhappy with the direction the Muppets are going in, then perhaps it was for the better. But it seems to me that Steve just has a clear vision of what he believes the Muppets should be, and Disney disagrees. I don't know the whole story, but as far as I can see, I don't think anyone's to blame. It's simply a case of creative differences.

    EDIIT: changed phrasing here and there
     
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  18. vettech28

    vettech28 Well-Known Member

    The more that develops from this situation, the more upset, angrier and confused I get!!
    Why are Henson's kids suddenly turning their backs on him? It's not really Steve's fault for making Kermit the way he made him, it's the writer's fault! I really don't believe Steve would get hostile about anything and voicing his opinion in an unprofessional way. It doesn't sound like something he would do! What's next here? Will the other remaining performers turn their backs on him? I sure hope not! Besides, who will he rely on for support, other than the fans and his wife?
     
  19. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    He should understand that unfortunately, it's not his duty to dictate what the Muppets can and cannot do. That's Disney's decision. I'm not saying it's right and that he shouldn't have any input, but you've got to do what the bosses want or else you risk losing your career.
     
  20. CBPuppets

    CBPuppets Well-Known Member

    I don't think it had anything to do with it. I think Frank's Departure was so he could focus on Directing
     

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