regular figures...mega sized...what about minis?

[Louis Kazagger]

LOL! PONDEROSA here I come. Sheesh, this "fan club" thing even dictates my meals for me now!

 

[grail]

Originally posted by towels


Mmmmm...reservations...beef...dinner
Ken's got some sort of subliminal post for a steakhouse!

don't forget his Chef avatar...

Ken's like a walking ad for Ponderosa.

but i wouldn't ask him about "little joe" if i were you...

(man...that one hurt ME...)

 

[grail]

Originally posted by Louis Kazagger
LOL! PONDEROSA here I come. Sheesh, this "fan club" thing even dictates my meals for me now!

AACK get out of my brain!!! evil i tell you, evil!!

heh...now we can run around the forum chanting "one of us" in a high pitched voice and giggling...

 

[ResidentLilly]

Originally posted by grail

don't forget his Chef avatar...
Ken's like a walking ad for Ponderosa.
but i wouldn't ask him about "little joe" if i were you...
(man...that one hurt ME...)

He prefers "Little Ken"...

 

[beaker]

>>>I just think some of this guilt has been put there by people who change their opinion whenever Ken does. There are two or three people here who ignored Corys idea before Ken said he liked it, then came over here and raved about what a great idea mini's were, and then once Ken had said they would be doing PVC's instead, go all out for the PVC cause and jumped down the throats of people who felt otherwise - and they do the same in the 'Ask Ken' thread<<<<

Well Luke, youve heard of company 'yesman', welcome to forum 'yesman'. The almight grand poobah mighty favog Ken has spoken...the gospel of Palisades! Just kidding...but it does feel like people tend to have 'Igor' syndrome 'yes, very good boss!...oh, no youre right, not very good...oh wait, yes very good boss!' It is funny how when I posted some balked at the idea, Ken vaguely liked the idea, and mulled on possibilities...then it was like 'oh yeah, minis would rock!' and now its back to Pvcs over minis.

Im grateful Ken posted earlier today about him seeing The Simpsons minis first hand, and his opinions on minis and detail and likenesses. I like the money the most of of the space WOS minis, but I guess I would agree they arent the most detailed things. The new Japanese TOMY Disney minis would be a better example of how TMS minis would rock.


>>>It just saddens me that it has got this overwhelming, almost obsessive - if the product guy can't come here without all this going on then no wonder the Muppeteers themselves never stood a chance<<<

YEah, that really BUGGED the crud out of me...the few times a JHC person or muppeteer would go out on a limb and say 'hey guys' on the old MC...people could just not help themselves, by inundating them with emails and crazy amounts of replies...which would turn into email notifications. No wonder we dont see any on here anymore.

>>>I'm glad some people actually felt able to say truly what they thought, but i also know some people (one or two longstanding members particularly) who do have constructive opinions on things but don't want to face being flamed by Ken's fanclub and so avoid posting which is a shame<<<

People should not feel afraid of flames...just come on here and say what ya think. Someone saying 'These figures suck' would just be lame, as noone in their right mind could think there is nothing cool from the 6" line. Lookwise, they blow Simpsons and Mcfarlane out of the water IMHO. But saying 'well, such and such needs some retooling' or 'whats up with such and such' nose or sculpt? it looks not so good' is indeed encouraged to give balance.
Folks, when ya post, have validity whether it be positive or negative feedback.

Finally...jamie wrote:
"You read me right. The Fisher Price puppet figures are underwhelming and I always have felt that. <<<

Well you may say Palisades figures are a 10 and the FP 78 line are a 5 or 6...but they ARE TWO Seperate things. Its like comparing micronauts to army men pvcs. The FP TMS 78 line is comporable to other 3-4" lines...where as the Palisades are of the new post Mcfarlane 1997 to present vein. Geez, people seem to forget that MCfarlane reinvented the action figure line as we know it. SO I cant even compare the two. The Fisher Price figures(for anyone who wants to know, go to the collectibles section) are without a doubt great back then and great to me now. How ya can say the likenesses arent spot on is beyond me. I dont wanna name series or names, but that Scooter to me beats out any other scooter likeness Ive seen recently merchandise wise.

 

[frogboy4]

You think Animal is good likeness? And Gonzo doesn't look much like the original or later Gonzo. Terrible likenesses. They are good figures and i do love them, but not because they are "fantastic" as has been stated. They really aren't all that. They are quite good figures for their time, but nothing incredible special by todays standards as has been repeatedly mentioned by several people. Fans love things for nostalgic reasons, but that doesn't make them great. However the Fozzie and Rowlf are almost spot on and there's something about this Piggy that makes her special.

 

[Luke]

Originally posted by ResidentLilly
Luke I am curious...what are your reservations?

I've nothing against you personally - i think your a great guy, more than dedicated to the line, and listening to and keeping the fans happy. I don't think anyone would doubt you've done a superb job and should be very proud - we all are !

My reservations are more about any company being here, and also having such a close relationship with the fans :-

On the one hand it's a good thing because you can tap into the fans for advice and opinions which can only make the product better. You can also listen to new ideas and sometimes things may come out of that. As well as that we've gained you and other Palisades employee's on the forum, and on a personal level you are all great, friendly and honest people.

On the flipside - people don't seem to have grasped the idea this is 'Muppet Central' and not the 'Palisades Forum' - we get 101 new threads about packages or money orders being recieved where this should be an email type thing. People sometimes start a new thread because it worries them it might not get enough attention in 'Ask Ken' so the whole place gets overloaded with action figure stuff - i know all this is not your fault, but it must be very overwhelming for people who don't have an interest in the action figures, and what they may have come here for before (news chat, trivia games, general collectables) seems to be very overshadowed. It's one of the most important years for the Muppets - 25th anniversary, company sale, upcoming Muppetfest, new shows on the horizon - but they aren't getting enough attention. If you look at Toughpigs (where the more maturer fans hang out), i think the mixture of action figure chat and other stuff is perfect, and you participate there which is cool !

The hysteria can be kinda annoying too. People are not used to having a product developer here so they get a bit overwhelmed by it all. There are people who are so obsessed with the figures or Palisades actually being at the forum that they give people with different views a pretty hard time. As i said, i know there are people who love, but do have opinions on the figures (maybe stuff like Dr Teeth could have been thinner and stuff like that) turning up at Toughpigs chat but when we say they should go and post to Ken at MC with their opinions, they say they don't want to bother because they'd just get flamed by the others. I guess as people have come to know you as a friend they also want to protect you, which is cool, but they kinda have to realise you are doing a job too and have come here for a reason, hence all the people apologising for 'nitpicking' before.

So they are my thoughts on the subject although i want to point out that i really like you posting here and wouldn't have it any other way, just i can see also ways where this action figure boom hasn't been entirely good for the forum as a whole. I guess my reservations are more geared to the people, we have a lot of younger fans here and also now the influx of people who are more into action figure collecting than the Muppets so they are very excited by it all and quite rightly so, but it's EXACTLY the same as when Bill Baretta and Jerry Nelson came here - they posted a few times, the fans got over-excited and obsessively overwhelmed by it all and it all got a bit too much and the people never came back. I guess this is also the reason why people from Mattel don't post on He-Man forums or Hasbro on Transformers ones - sometimes the fans just get too carried away. I like the idea that the action figures are discussed, any figure news is reported, and opinions and ideas are sought but still retaining a cool and balanced atmosphere that we don't seem to be able to get here because it's become known as the action figure hangout where 'Ask Ken' is this daily phenomena - i guess it must seem a bit daunting to even you sometimes.

I guess i'll probably be accused of whining by someone now but you did ask !

 

[Louis Kazagger]

Isn't that why the mods gave "action figures" their own section, separate from "merchandise" recently?

 

[Luke]

Originally posted by Louis Kazagger
Isn't that why the mods gave "action figures" their own section, separate from "merchandise" recently?

Yes, but it's pointless because the 'search for new threads' feature which 99% of people use to view the forum still lists all the threads from each category together. The only way you could get round it would be an entirely seperate forum script for collectables talk - maybe a mini subdomain of Muppetcentral exclusively for collecting !

Y'know a lot of this would be solved by that FAQ appearing sooner rather than later. Ken called for it AGES ago to take the heat off him, and it would also take the load off the forum. When people asked a minor question, or wanted to enquire about their collectors club account we could just get into the routine of referring them to that and they'd hopefully get the message about where to go. Instead of someone just posting a FAQ up as a new thread on the forum which can be edited as needed it has to turn into a full scale 'Muppet Central' site project with pretty pictures and linked writing that will take forever to finish and constantly update - thats very nice and all good, but it's not serving the purpose it was supposed to in the first place.

 

[Louis Kazagger]

Originally posted by Luke
Yes, but it's pointless because the 'search for new threads' feature which 99% of people use to view the forum still lists all the threads from each category together.

Oh, I don't use that. I just go to the main topic "action figures" and refresh the screen and look for the colored envelopes. When I want to know what people are posting in "puppetry", I mosey over there.

Ah, I see your point now. No one is really posting in those sections on a regular basis anymore, are they? Is that it? I just looked over the other topics and I'm pretty much just as caught up on those sections as I was when I scanned them a few days ago. So, you're saying those sections were a little more hopping, until this became known as the "action figure forum"?