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Well I think it's like how movie novelisations aren't as good as the actual film. The story does best in its original media format, no matter what that is. Though I'll be honest, while I thought the Wizard of Oz book was interesting and well written, I wasn't that compelled to finish it. But...

Exactly, I wouldn't call Wicked a remake. First obviously it's a stage musical not a movie. But also because it didn't just retell the original story. It was more like Grade A fanfiction, lol.

Wizard of Oz is one of those situations where the movie took on a life of its own separate from the book. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that. So yeah, I'd tend to call another film of that particular Oz story a remake. Even if there is a book. For it to be not a remake, it would really have...

I will call them "remakes" sometimes. Because often a new film can't help but be influenced by the original film. Or they're clearly cashing in on the success of the original film.

They talked about this on TP. Sometimes Grover's an adult with a job, other times (mainly in the books), he's a kid going to Pre-school, lol. I saw that documentary at The Paley Center. Fascinating look at that aspect of film history. People don't realize that there were gay characters even in...

You're right, O is for over analyzing, lol.

Yeah I've never thought of Bert and Ernie as children. Clearly they're sharing an apartment like adults do in the city. Bert travels alone to visit his brother. They're obviously adults.

Cool, can't wait to see the complete version!

Frankly I'm a little surprised they're going anywhere near this particular cartoon, heh.

Yeah but then apparently neither of them have had dates since 1969. ;)

Well I think puppet characters could be gay. I just don't think Bert and Ernie are. ;)

Right, so I think that's where some people are coming from with the whole Bert & Ernie thing. They don't like the knee jerk reaction "they must be gay because they hugged" kind of thing. Not that they're anti homosexuality. Some people are of course. But I'm just saying there's a lot of...

I'm not saying they should all be religious or anything. Just that there is occasionally this very haughty attitude towards the whole idea. It's like when Republicans say they hold a monopoly on morality, when obviously they don't. In the same way, I don't think the Democrats hold a monopoly on...

But did you go along with everything your parents ever told you? At some point everyone decides for themselves. Exactly, it's one thing to speculate that characters could be gay because it would make a new and interesting storyline. It's another when you assume they must be gay because "real...

Exactly, what are we trying to say, that two male characters who are friends must always keep their distance from each other, lest someone think they're a couple? Like I said earlier, it's the old stereotype that men can't show their feelings.

It's not only instilling fear though. The Republicans also try to reassure voters that they support things like their faith (even if it's not always true). While the Democrats sometimes (not always) come across as saying, "Faith is silly. We'll get rid of that." And again I'm not saying...

Both of our points are true. Bottom line, the Democrats do need a better sense of PR, lol.

Yeah that's the only controversy I'm concerned about; the way the classic characters are being placed in the background. It won't really matter if they're gay or straight if we never see them, now will it? ;)

I really do think the Democrats would be more of a match if they respected their voters more. Their platform very often comes across as, "We want to remake everything in our own image." And anything they disagree with needs to go, even if it's important to the voters. I'm not saying Democrats...

For me, I don't mind if characters are gay. What bothers me is when you have two male characters who are very close and people say "Well clearly they must be in a romantic relationship!" as though two guys could never be very close friends who show affection for each other. It's a silly macho...