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I think I said this awhile back, but you are so lucky, I want a Scooter doll, lol. ;) I still have my Richard Hunt copies, hehe.

Aw, yeah I definitely teared up as well. And good for you to lead the applause. :)

Yeah I mean I did fear for the Muppets after that film. That's why I was overall happy with The Muppets (2011). :)

I'll give a handful of moments that worked OK, like Scooter flirting with the girls. But overall I just felt miserable after watching this film (and not kidding about the nightmares, lol).

OK I just had to share this (if it hasn't been mentioned before), from the Memoirs of a Muppet Writer book: "Richard was the unofficial tour guide of The Muppet Show....One day a class of blind children were touring the show. I walked into the shop to see Richard performing Scooter for them...

I haven't seen MWO but I remember a parent review on Amazon complaining that she'd bought it because she "trusted the Muppet name," only to be disturbed at how her daughter was repeating the more tasteless lines from the film. The Muppets should be better than that (and thankfully they were with...

Oh I think the Muppets can be dark and have been before. They just aren't here. It felt like a teenager attempting to be adult but just seeming immature.

Yeah, typical! Lol ;) Yeah even though MCC isn't my favorite movie, I can totally see their soundtrack getting some recognition.

Don't worry most of it probably will go over their heads (thankfully). But I do think this is the kind of reason some people have been turned off by the post-Henson stuff. I just don't think there's much else to get out of the film beyond some gratuitous shock moments. But that's just me. If...

The show Psych sort of did that, only it was that everyone was better off if the main character hadn't come to town. That worked pretty well actually, lol. The idea does work. The execution would have been done brilliantly years ago, but did not work in this case for me.

Lol, it's OK I'll probably pop in my Christmas Toy VHS later. ;)

Ah ok, lol. And yes I'm with you in the being shocked thing, lol. Not impressed at the dark content. Just shocked. :concern: ;)

About the pacifier thing or the me not believing in the movie thing?

Yeah the pacifier reference, heh. Subtle... Like I said, as far as I'm concerned that movie never happened. ;)

Lol, no you're right. ;) Like I said I don't mind disturbing as long as I feel something else as well. And I just personally didn't with VMX.

I don't know, I just feel like I felt more raw emotion from say The Christmas Toy, which dealt with prejudice and death and in a subtle, interesting manner. But agree to disagree. :) I like that too normally, I just didn't feel like I learned anything about the characters here. It just felt...

I don't see that as more sympathetic. More like less subtle. But just that's just me. I probably won't be seeing this film. But I'm glad if others like it.

Because they think the average American audience has to have everything spoon fed to them, heh. I thought he was already quite sympathetic and didn't need a complicated back story to make me care about him or identify somewhat with him. But this is typical of modern day attempts at Dr. Suess...

The entire movie was just one long "this is disturbing." And not that the Muppets have never been disturbing before, but they've always had some deeper meaning behind it. Here it just felt like disturbing and...yeah just disturbing, lol.

Someone got shot in Hook, but that wasn't dark per se. Dark humor I suppose. Like I said, it's hard since I haven't seen most of MTI. My friend and I keep planning to do a marathon, got to get around to that one of these days, lol. She knows I'm not the biggest fan of post-Henson Muppets but...