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Questions we may never know the answer

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by AmazingMumford, Mar 5, 2005.

  1. Soul H

    Soul H New Member

    In Danger's No Stranger, I heard How Now Brown sing about how you shoudn't spend the winter in Montana and mentioning Sherman in Savannah, but exactly what is so dangerous about it?

    The other dangers he mentioned I understand, but spending the winter in Montana and mentioning Sherman in Savannah, makes no sense.
  2. DTF

    DTF Member

    Well, I think the Sherman one was an attempt to make it funny for adults as well as kids. However, general William T. Sherman - the man who marched through Georgia near the end of the Civil War and burned most every city - is more famous for burning Atlanta, not Savannah. I suppose he burned that city, too. (Well, his troops did.) However, since Atlanta would have also rhymed, I don't see why they didn't say "Sherman in Atlanta." That would raise the ire of any Southerner you mentioned his name to, but probably be more understood as a joke. And, if he did do more damage there, might make it more likely you'd get punched int he snoot.

    Montana's just so cold I guess it's just considered crazy to want to take a winter vacation there. And, it would be dangerous if you tried to do so and only packed a bathing suit :)
  3. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Snuffy's cave is in a park, It would say it looks a lot like central park sense it has caves in it. I remember an once seeing an episode where it shows Big Bird and Snuffy along with a grown up walking to the park to go to Snuffy's cave.
  4. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Actually, Bear, from that episode up, all of the muppets sitting on the stoop look a little ackward, to me.
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Since Atlanta and Savannah both rhyme, maybe Christopher Cerf meant for the line to be Atlanta but got it wrong in either the writing or singing and nobody caught it untill after it was recorded. Or maybe Christopher Cerf or somebody else saw some source that made the mistake and thought it was correct.
  6. JLG

    JLG Active Member

    So Henson's characters rarely were on the Street because of his other committments? That makes sense. I'd always wondered about that. I guess that means the in-between segments were shot a different part of the year than the Street footage. But this wasn't true until the Muppet Show, you say? Someone please mention if they know more about that. I'd love to hear about more instances of Kermit or Ernie on the street.

    As a kid in the '80s it always seemed to me like it was a "law" that certain characters could never be seen outside of the in-between stuff. That's why it was amazing to me to see a 1978 episode at the MT&R that featured Big Bird interacting with Grover. I had never thought I would see those two speaking to each other. In the same episode, Bert tries to help Big Bird with a sleeping problem. Another first for me. Since I still have seen very few '70s eps (about 12, far fewer than those who have traded/taped more), I have no idea if this was a novelty even then, or if it was common back then to see certain character combinations that just weren't done later. (Lately they've brought back Ernie as a Street character, but not Bert. :( )
  7. PiLfan

    PiLfan Member

    the 3rd monotone was busy recording a solo album at the time...;)
  8. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    I have this nagging memory of Harvey Kneeslapper announcing the letter of the day, with a man from the human cast (Bob, I think?) nearby. For once, Harvey was not playing a prank of any kind; instead, he kept sneezing every time he tried to mention the letter. I thought that was hilarious when I first saw the sketch as a girl; my mother must have gone crazy from hearing me repeat "brought to you by the letter *ACHOO!*" umpteen times. It turns out that Harvey was allergic to the letter W.** A similar problem must have occurred in an earlier episode, because I remember the human actor asking Harvey "What happened to the letter Q?" (I swear I never saw Harvey sneeze at any other letter, though: does anyone else remember one or both of those episodes?

    **My reaction several years later: "W as in 'What the [bleep]?!?'"
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  9. PiLfan

    PiLfan Member

    A lot of the muppets you see primarily in insert segments and skits nowadays and throughout much of the 80s-90s were seen quite a bit on street scenes, particularly in the early 70s. Bert, ernie, herry, grover, mumford, harvey kneeslapper, count, and yes even kermit all had regular or somewhat near regular appearances (strangely enough, i don't recall cookie ever being in a street scene...until a recent episode from just last year where people thought he was stealing everyone's cookie's, but it was actually another character, cookie-hood, instead).

    lately, a lot of these muppets have been making return appearances to some street scenes. In the last year or two, Herry has popped up in a cameo, ernie has appeared several times, Grover now has his "traveling grover" skits done on the street, the count recently appeared in a street scene with a special appearance by the bluegrass band Alison Krauss and Union Station.

    Bert also appeard on the street in a recent episode, along with ernie, had something to do with Bert's surprise birthday party i think...while it was refreshing to see ernie and bert on there again, the muppets' voices and even the appearance of the muppets have changed quite a bit. Especially Bert...who's tuft of hair has gotten so small you'd think he's balding (which is possible; the dude's been around for nearly 40 years after all ;) ) and his unibrow looks way off too. I miss the more coarse Bert from the 70s/80s :(

    and of course, there's been no kermit since the hurricane episodes, and before that no street scenes of him that I can recall until well before Jim Heson's death.
  10. JLG

    JLG Active Member

    Cookie was in at least two street scenes that are in "circulation" among this community---early in #276 and in the beginning of #796. That's all I happen to have seen; there might be more.

    I saw that recent episode about Bert's birthday party. It was cool to see him, though I don't think the guy who plays him now quite has the character down. And I agree with you that the newest Bert puppet looks way off. I have tried to figure out what is different about it, but it's too subtle. It must be a lot of little things that add up. I definitely think his head is slightly thicker than it was before, and maybe the unibrow is somewhat higher on the face. On such simple faces, every little bit makes a huge difference. I read an article somewhere where a Muppet builder was saying how incredibly difficult it is to remake a character and have it look "right". That may be true, but somehow they'd always done it better before. (There have to have been at least six or seven different Berts over the years.):( :( :(
  11. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    I also recall a scene with Ernie, Snuffy and Hoots together. Not sure what season it was. Ernie was sitting in the Arbor area sad because Bert couldn't play. Snuffy came by and said how sad he was because Big Bird couldn't play with him that day. With Hoots accompanying them on his sax, Snuffy and Ernie sing a song called the "Best Friend Blues" and by the end of the song decide that they can just play together because they are good friends too. This was so neat to see because how often is it that Ernie and Snuffy share a dialogue together?
  12. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Once in a while you will see some of those characters you all mentioned in street scenes. The Count and Prairie used to hang out on the street with Big Bird and the gang much more often a while back, but strangely not so much now. I think it is also a matter of what Muppeteers are available and what characters are really needed for the street segment. Ernie pops up every now and then. Didn't he join Birdkateers once? I think that even now, they mostly use on the street Big Bird, Snuffy, Telly, Baby Bear, Elmo, Zoe and Rosita because those performers are SS streets main Muppeteers. They don't have a lot of other Muppet commitments the way Steve Whitmire and Eric Jacobson (then Henson and Oz) do.

    Of course in the films and TV specials, we see all the characters interacting on the street quite a lot.
  13. JLG

    JLG Active Member

    Was that scene recent? Or was it a while ago? 'Cause I know they just recently brought Hoots back from oblivion, at least for that one song "A Cookie Is A Sometime Food." (they gave him these new, alert eyes, which I regret)

    About Kermit and him not having been there since the hurricane-----I just caught the credits a few days ago and it said "Kermit the Frog is (C) The Jim Henson Company". This indicated that Kermit had been in the episode, although I don't know if it was an old clip or not. They have to give that copyright notice now, since the Muppets aren't all owned under one roof anymore.....:cry:
  14. JLG

    JLG Active Member

    I sometimes wonder if people like Bob McGrath and Loretta Long (Susan) missed working with characters like Kermit and Ernie, which they frequently did at the start.
  15. Soul H

    Soul H New Member

    No, no. What I meant was in some episodes, Little Jerry was with Big Jeffy, Little Chrissy and the guy who is dressed like a caveman. But in other episodes Little Jerry is with Big Jeffy and another Fat Blue muppet with sunglasses and brown hair.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    That song, "Best friends Blues", was from the late 1980s. Jim Henson performed Ernie in that scene.

    Since 2003, the song Do De Rubber Duck has been shown once a season. In season 35, each episode began with a scene where a celebrity talked about there favorite Sesame Street moments. Some of them feature clips with kermit the Frog, and the credits for those episodes have a copyright credit for Kermit's scene in the "favorite moents" introduction, even though I don't consider those to actually be part of the episodes themselves, especially since those scenes are followed by ads for each sponsor. Ownership credits for Kermit should have just been shown followig the introductions.

    I know of two introductions featuring Kermit clips. One of them featured the skit where kermit and a girl say the alphabet. The other one, which I saw today, featured a clip of Kermit and other characters on the street holding signs with letters of the alphabet. I think this is from the season 4 premier, where everybody announced their name and the lette rthat their name begins with. That scene was different from how I pictured it. The clip ended with P for Prairie dawn, but it would have been nice if it lasted a bit longer to show R for Roosevelt Franklin. But at least a Sesame Street clip with kermit was seen.
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  17. Pug Lover

    Pug Lover New Member

    I used to wonder where the tire swing hung from.It looks as if it hangs from the sky.But of course now I'm old enough to know the answer to that question.Since in real life the street is inside a studio,not outdoors,the swing simply hangs from the studio ceiling.;)
  18. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    I never caught that in "The Street We Live On." I saw Herry in the Monster Parade but that was it. Are you sure you're not thinking of Telly? Just wondering.
  19. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Yeah. That one was on 'You Tube.' That was a real good one. It was kind of rare to see a Henson character in a street scene around that time. Still that was a very enjoyable sketch.
  20. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Sorry to keep repeating posts, it's been a while since I looked through this thread and I keep thinking up new things to say.

    Anyway, it's good that :) still shows up on SS occassionally, even if it is with copyright information in the credits. Though I would like to see him on the same level as on "Plaza Sesamo." After all, "Do de Rubber Duck" seems to be his only official appearance these days, unless you count his appearances on "The Street We Live On" special.

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