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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by zns, Jan 4, 2006.

  1. heralde Well-Known Member

    The thing is, I don't remember people complaining about Kermit's pig comments in the old days. People laughed because it was genuinely funny. And you knew he didn't really mean it. Some people are complaining now, because it's not the same as it used to be. It borders on rude. I'm sure they don't intend that, but that's how it sometimes comes across.
  2. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    In a way, Kermit and Piggy's relationship should have been solidified a while ago now...leaving it hanging for this long, it will become a joke in the same way that Tom Cruise has become a joke. At first, his outlandishness was funny, then it bordered on abnormal, and now it's just a joke.
  3. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    A lot depends on what you mean by "canon." Do television appearances count? If so, Kermit's been pretty mean about Piggy lately. But he was pretty ushy-gushy last year at the TV Land awards.

    What about books? Do they count? If so--once again--Kermit was pretty awful about Piggy, but then he turned around and said some incredibly sweet things.

    What about billboards? THere was that billboard that said, "Eats flies. Dates a pig." Was that true? Or does the word "dating" mean something totally different when you put it on a billboard?

    Which movies count as canon? If we can accept all "back-stage activity" as canon, then was Kermit really snarky with Piggy over complimenting her first number and avoiding her kiss? If so, we have to accept that his later very enthusiastic kiss was true too.

    In short (well, in conclusion), there's just a lot of conflicting information out there--all coming from the same sources! Are they on again? Off again? Both? And that was a lot of what we saw in TMS--on again, off again, fighting again, lovey-dovey again. I could live with that, if it doesn't get so darn mean I can't watch.

    We loved 'em when they fought, and we loved 'em when they made up. In short, we'd like to see more of them doing both.
  4. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    OH--about the convention thing. I've actually helped organize fan conventions before, so I wasn't kidding. If you need fan help, send a shout out.
  5. unclematt Active Member

    Guys come on. He has always ribbed her. Get it ribbed. That is Kermit. I dont think it has been meen hearted at all.
  6. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    Then again, there's nothing funny about love; it's the unrequieted love that is funny.
  7. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Funny to whom?

    If you watch the original shows and movies--TMS, any season, or TMM or TGMC or TMTM--it is perfectly obvious on stage and off that there is more going on here than just Piggy hankering after Kermit. His jealous fits, his admiring looks at her, the way they banter back and forth about when and where they are going out--not whether--are all part of what made it funny for Kermit to deny their relationship, or at least the seriousness of it.

    If it was just Piggy pining over Kermit, with him not encouraging it at all, then it would soom cease to be funny. Then it would just be sad. (Much like Fozzie Bear's initial character, who was just supposed to be a bad comedian. It wasn't funny until they gave him vulnerability and made us WANT to like his routine, even though it wasn't very good.) It's funny because we can see both of them trying to get the upper, um, flipper in the relationship. The relationship that they actually have, not a relationship that Piggy made up. Kermit wants Piggy--he's just uncertain about the degree of commitment that he's comfortable with. Piggy want ALL of Kermit, but has to settle for less. So they dance around the question and each other while we all sigh and say, "Ah, l'amour." and shake our heads.
  8. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Actually...I believe that is simply the first level of humor in this relationship. When I first saw the Muppets, I was just a kid, and it was hilarious that Miss Piggy would first kiss-up to her Froggie then promptly send him flying ala left hook. I think the appeal of the Muppets, though, is that kids can enjoy that first level, while grown-ups realize that it ISN'T unrequited, it's just unproportionate.
  9. unclematt Active Member

    Also remember we dont see how he treats her whaen there is no camera watching
  10. heralde Well-Known Member

    Again, I just don't think people would be complaining if nothing had changed. They had no problem with it before.
  11. unclematt Active Member

    I am not complaining and really find it shocking that so many people are.
  12. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    Unrequieted love. All of that is why it's funny.
  13. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    When Kermit has a fit because she's planted rumors that she's snuggling with Avery? That was the relieved reaction of a man who can't wait to get rid of a woman?
    When he tells her that she looks very elegant in her high heels? Or sneaks a peak inside the mermaid suit?
    Or kisses her backstage in IAVMMC?
    Wow--and all these years of being married I was assuming that those were signs of actual interest in someone. Go figure.
  14. Fozzie Bear Moderator

    I asked the opinion of a friend of mine and my personal definition of unrequietd love isn't correct. Charlie Brown and the Red Haired Girl is unrequieted love. He knows and loves her, she has no clue.

    Kermit and Piggy? He's a player. He shows his interest, but doesn't want to follow through (my buddy's opinion). So, being a 'player,' which I thought since he doesn't necessarily SAY he's interested, I considered unrequieted; but, my buddy says I'm wrong.

    Still, it is my personal opinion that to NOT be unrequieted he needs to be a bit more favorable of a relationship than not. I don't think the bickering would be as funny if they were an 'official' item. But, that's just my opinion. :)

    Maybe there'll be another MuppetFest of some sort that Piggy and Kermit can attend and let us know for sure, eh?

    (See, how I'm segue-waying this back onto topic?) :crazy:
  15. unclematt Active Member

    I would love to see Kermit and Priggy at a new MuppetFest. (see how I am helping to segue back onto the topic)
  16. Kiki Active Member

    Erm, I don't mean to sound demanding in any way but... is there any news on the new Muppetfest? Where it'll be hold, what year, whether it will it actually happen?? Ooh I hope so!! ;)
  17. Luke Active Member

    There is no new Muppetfest. Creation Entertainment organized Muppetfest on behalf of the Henson's but obviously they've sold the Muppets since. As to whether Disney or anyone else organizes anything at any time, there's no news of anything yet.
  18. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Sad, but true. I missed the first MuppetFest, and MuppetFest won't happen again. I am lucky enough to have met MC people in real life, since, but nothing on a MupeptFest scale.
  19. unclematt Active Member

    We can work at it and remember there is still a part two to the big announcement. Maybe it is anpther Muppet convention
  20. Kiki Active Member

    Ooh, that would be cool! But I'm not gonna get my hopes up. Plus, I live in Australia, so going to Muppetfest, which is obviously in the US is a bit dicey (however, Muppeteers do visit Melbourne -where I live- a fair bit. Kevin's been here 3 times including this year!).
    Yeah, I remember a Muppeteer saying in his book about the first and last Muppetfest. :( Oh well. :smirk:

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