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I Miss the Munsters :(

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's not uncommon for there to be various little changes from pilot to series. I seem to recall in the official series pilot (the one that was basically the rehash of this one, only in black-and-white, and with Yvonne De Carlo and Butch Patrick), Grandpa's nose almost looked more like a witch's nose.
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  2. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    You know what's so ironic, how Martica Addams and Lily Munster look so very similar. Was there any controversy between the two? They aired around the same time but of course Addams Family came first since they were comics in The New Yorker.
  3. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't know, but it's been pointed out, even on TV Tropes, that possibly the reason they radically changed Phoebe to Lily was that Phoebe was essentially a clone of Morticia, which I can see... similarities between Morticia and Lily, not so much.

    Heh, you know what's funny? I just remembered one episode of the show where they received a visit from a very distant relative who was a werewolf... you talk about cheesy and campy, he actually looked like a guy wearing a werewolf costume, as opposed to clever makeup as with the rest of the cast.
  4. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Even season 1 in most TV shows can be kind of primitive but evolve as the seasons go on. The Muppet Show for instance, the main characters like Gonzo, Fozzie, and Miss Piggy. And even one of my favorite shows ever "Spitting Image" series 1, the sketches were kind of long and mostly dialog but as the show continued it got more slapsticky and cartoon visual humor and more irreverent and silly. lol And sometimes shows can become a roller coaster. Look at The Simpsons, they started as primitive shorts on Tracy Ullman (If anyone knows if these shorts or on DVD, please let me know.) Basicly Matt Groening's sketches animated, then they visually evolve, then the show became more satirical and slapsticky from season 3 / 4 between there onto (well in my opinion) 15th season, and then it got more PC, G-rated, etc. But to safely put it, it's just my opinion. But one of the things that I've learned is how esspecially in animation how characters are usually get in stone during the production process, I remember hearing some artists on blogs finding it controversal but I still don't have much of an opinon over it except that I heard that sometimes it's the network or companies doings in terms of speeding up the creative process putting pressure I suppose, then again, I'm not 100'5 sure.
  5. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Eddie's long lost real father I suppose. lol
  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Okay, so, I watched the 4 episode Car 54 Where are You marathon on Me-TV. Now, remember, this show predates The Munsters by some time and has Al Lewis and Fred Gwynne. An episode concerned that Fred's character was too shy and stand offish when it came to women, and the precinct was trying to inflate his self esteem so he could ask the Chief's daughter to the Mardis Gras party. Of course, this gets out of control and they turn him into a Casanova.

    To which Al Lewis's character replies "I've created a Frankenstein!"
  7. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I'm a little confused, is this a Munsters' episode? What's Car 54? and Me-TV?
  8. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Me-TV is a relatively new (I say relatively because it's been around for quite some time, yet, my cable provider JUST NOW started to offer it) cable and/or satellite channel, basically, it's what TV Land USED to be: all classics, all the time.

    I haven't seen Car 54, Where Are You? yet myself, but from what I understand, it's a really early (like 1950s I believe) sitcom, starring pre-Munster Fred Gwynne and Al Lewis as cops.
  9. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Eh, Snowth... I think I know why you like Munsters so much.

    The show was created by one of the head writers of the Bullwinkle show. Chris Heyward. Also wrote for MY favorite sitcom, Get Smart.
  10. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Car 54 actually is from the early 60s, but other than that, yes, it is a sitcom (and a very good one at that), featuring the above mentioned people. It's pretty much a show about the lives of two police officers.
  11. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Really? I thought it was created by the same people who created Leave it to Beaver (Joe Connelly & Bob Mosher). On an interesting note, apparently the Damon Wayans movie Major Payne was "based on an idea" by Connelly & Mosher... I'm TRYING so hard to picture Major Payne as a watered-down, weekly sitcoms on 1960s TV, but it's not working too well... plus, it would probably be too similar to Sergeant Carter from Gomer Pyle.

    Have any of guys heard of this 1969 TV pilot that never came to be: Vernon's Volunteers? It was penned/created by veteran sitcom producer Si Rose (worked on Dukes of Hazzards, and most Sid & Marty Krofft shows), supposedly, Paul Winchell was the chief of a determined, yet incompetent volunteer fire department in a small town called Vernon. Even if it had become a series, it probably wouldn't have lasted but a season or two, because the Rural Purge was right around the corner, and this concept has "rural" written all over it. Besides, didn't Hooterville already have an imcompetent volunteer fire department?
  12. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Kind of like The Andy Griffith Show?
  13. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Really, Rocky and Bullwinkle writers help create Munsters? No wonder there's some cool cartoonish slapstick gags in it. lol I've heard of Get Smart, rarely seen it. Didn't Mel Brooks do something with it?
  14. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Mel Brooks created it.

    Matter of fact, I read up about Get Smart the other day, and read that there were a few things that the network wanted him to do with the show that he refused to do, such as giving Maxwell Smart a mother; Mel Brooks said he didn't like mothers on sitcoms, so he refused to add a mother for Max on the show.
  15. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I love Mel's work. I've written him many fan letters and still haven't gotten a response just yet. lol So was Get Smart kind of slapsticky / satirical like his film work or was it more of a straight drama detective like show simular to Dagdret or whatever that show is called. Joe Monday, and that song "Duh duh duh duh, Duuuuh duh duh duh Daaaah." That's all I know of that show. lol And parodies of it. lol

    Didn't Mel do a TV show before his movies? I remember seeing a clip of people inside a clock beating each other up. lol

    Mel is great, I remember reading how he took a pay cut just so he could be director and have creative control over The Producers, his first movie and a great classic may I add. :)
  16. Teheheman Well-Known Member

    I thought Mockingbird Lane wasn't BAD, I just don't see how they could pull off a weekly sitcom out of it. I thought the Munsters was great because it was kind of like the Addams Family in the fact that they thought that they were actually normal. Not 'they are monster living in a human world'. They thought they were just regular people and everybody else was weird. Also, Herman had a job at a morgue. That's just so fricken cool.

  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The key word is "sitcom." I don't think it was meant to be one. More like a... well... whatever you'd call Pushing Daisies. Comedy drama action series... it could have worked, but it just was too expensive to produce. Plus, if they had a complicated story arc, it ran the risk of getting canceled before resolution. Just like Pushing Daisies.
  18. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Kind of...though it is a bit "different" in a way that I have a hard time explaining...maybe I'd say that it explores a more larger town/police force rather than the relatively small city of Mayberry?
  19. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I've been renting a Addams Family DVD, the tv series. And there was a special feature where some one says that the weird thing is how Munsters and Addams were canceled after two seasons for no reason told to the producers or anyone why.

    Also with Addams that the show ended up being more wacky and surreal because producers thought that the original Charles Addams were too dark and morbid for television. I read a bunch of those cartoons and I didn't think it was too morbid for TV. Then again, I have a very irreverent sense of humor and have seen many crazy things in the cartoon / puppet universe from Spike and Mike to National Lampoon comics, even Robert Crumb (one of my strongest influences) lol

    You know one of the things I love about Addams and I've had this thought on my mind for years, I would just love in my future to live in a haunted house and have a wacky family telling bad jokes and have a bunch of goofy things coming out of the walls to freak out guests, etc. lol

    But anyways, back to The Munsters. Wasn't one of the things with Herman was he would start to pout like a spoild brat and stomp his foot and shout "DARN DARN DARN" and the roof would fall apart or something like that. lol
  20. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't know about The Addams Family, but the reason The Munsters was canceled was because of Batman. When Batman first came on, and with it being in color, The Munsters, being in black-and-white, was creamed in the ratings (which is why I've said if it was in color too, it probably would have had a decent run).
    Well, back in those days, people were a lot more choosey with what should and shouldn't be seen, or what's considered saddistic or morbid... I once heard that when Sid Krofft was doing his solo act (prior to his and Marty's career), he was dropped from a theater because of a skeleton marionette he had, and the theater management felt having a skeleton seen on stage was too morbid for audiences.
    Yes. There was even one occasions where his stomping was so bad, he was starting to sink into the floor, so Grandpa went down into his basement so he could wait for Herman once he stomped his way down there.
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