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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Character Encyclopedia

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by Phillip, Feb 7, 2014.

  1. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    How small exactly is the book?
  2. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    I have read the list of Muppets that are included in the book from Muppet Wiki and here is my list of Muppets that were not included that should've been included.

    Although some Muppets were not included in the Encyclopedia I'm still really excited about this book! :)
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  3. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Strangely, Droop IS mentioned, just not featured and the rats just have a generic page of their own. The book is about 1/2 size of the regular dictionary books from DK
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    When it comes to characters from The Muppet Show, the only ones I'm truly shocked aren't in it are Gaffer and the Gogolala Jubilee Jugband (oh, and Droop and Blue Frackle).

    The Muppet Wiki rundown of the book mentions some pages that feature characters that don't have their own pages (like "Birds" having Betsy Bird, a chick, and some of the birds from Sex and Violence, or "Monsters" having Chopped Liver, The Vile Bunch, Hugga Wugga, and Anthony and Fern). Are these characters just pictured, or is there some info on them as well? Are their names in photo captions? Are their debuts listed?

    Some people have said that it's smaller than they had expected, and yesterday I went to a few stores in the hopes that maybe it came there on the day it's supposed to be out, and noticed a few DK books that were smaller than I'd expected. I was expecting this to be the size of DK's Looney Tunes and Disney visual guides.
  5. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    After reading through the Muppet Wiki...

    1 Wondering why 80s Robot wasn't included given his creation and popularity owed to both the new movies, TM and MMW.
    2 Surprised Anthony and Fern were included, they're the only ones from JHH. Unless you also count Bean Bunny and Clifford.
    3 Points awarded to the MCE for finally listing all "Dr." titled characters together alphabetically correctly... But then I have to take those points away for a couple of inconsistencies like The Mooppets before Miss Mousey when they should have followed Miss Piggy and similarly for Mr. Poodlepants in the P's, but then before the Pigs.
    4 Why is a Snowth included with the Koozebanians? :confused:
    5 Why did Fletcher Bird get a solo entry of his own instead of being lumped with the Birds? Conversely, why didn't Bad Polly/Polly Lobster get his own page?
    6 Shouldn't the Toms have been included as Old, Real Old, and Dead Tom instead?
    7 With the wealth of obscure characters included, I'm a little disappointed we didn't get at least Irving Bizarre, Vendaface or Vicki, as well as separating all the unnecessary group entries so Yorick could have had a solo page to get as complete an alphabet possible. True, an X entry would have been missing, but I doubt people putting the book together would know about Xomfie and Melg, the Pink and Yellow Stalks from Sex and Violence; and even then, they'd have probably been put together as "The Stalks" or lumped with the "Monsters".

    All in all, I give the MCE 4.5 out of 5 :).
    With a publication like this, I hope future follow-up editions are made including more characters that got left out of this initial run; and that other branches of the Henson Universe get character encyclopedias of their own.

    BTW: I don't believe that inclusion of Sam & Friends or Rufus from Hey, Cinderella! automatically denote Disney ownership of either property unless information surfaces proving such.
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Maybe Sam and Friends is included for historical sake (though it could have just been mentioned in the Kermit section). I know that The Jim Henson Company recently rebuilt Yorick for Puppet Up, and the company did put a Sam and Friends clip (with Kermit, no less) on its YouTube channel. But I don't know why this book would include characters owned by Henson or Sesame Workshop.

    And I'm pretty sure Rufus is owned by Disney, whether he's in this book or not. Disney does own the rights to Hey, Cinderella! Rufus was also heavily featured in The Muppets' Valentine Show. My reason for being surprised is that Rufus wasn't on The Muppet Show often (he was more-or-less replaced by the similar-looking Muppy, but had made a few appearances after Muppy's debut, usually in the background).

    According to somebody at Tough Pigs, Craig Shemin wanted to include Jim Henson Hour characters, but for the most part Disney wouldn't allow it. Not sure why.
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  7. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Australia is always the last to get stuff. we wont get it till early March.:grr:
  8. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    I went out to my local Barnes and Noble today and bought a copy. I couldn't resist.

    Shortly put, It's a VERY good book. Many great back-stories, jokes, and "Muppet files". Although, I think it could've used a lot less filler pages. For example, there's a two page spread just with a picture of Animal that says "Eat Drums". That space could've been used for two more characters.

    Actually, the Frackles get a page to themselves, but only JG, Green Frackle, and Blue Frackle are mentioned. But, hey, it's better than nothing.

    They also seem to mention a lot of the Muppets' school years and what they majored in College.

    A few highlights from the book:

    Lew Zealand's favorite fish is named "Jerry"

    Crazy Harry got his detonator as a gift from his mother during his sixth birthday (Imagine Crazy Harry as a six year old. Trust me, you'll laugh)

    Beautiful Day Monster attended law school, at the urging of his mother

    Behemoth's family has an aluminum siding business. Also, just to clarify, his stage name is Behemoth, but his real name is Gene

    Nigel the Director is now an air traffic controller

    Rufus and Muppy hate being mistaken for each other

    Timmy Monster retired from show business and now owns a small organic bakery named "Timmy's Treats"

    Baskerville's favorite food is Asparagus (love the reference)

    Beaker uses a mousse mixed with car wax to style his hair

    The Javas are from Brooklyn
  9. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    BTW: Who misspelled Pepe's name? It does not have an "é" as the first "e" in his name. Somehow I feel whoever did that was only half paying attention to Spanish accentuation rules.

    Would have liked Dolores, The Trumpet Girl to have been included for the sake of having Nigel, the Electric Mayhem, and the entire orchestra pit Muppets. But like I said earlier, maybe that'll be corrected/included in a 2nd Edition MCE.
  10. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    Y'see, I'm not sure if that's the correct spelling or not. When Bill Barretta signs his name, he has the "é", but on the second:

    But, according to this Muppetism, it's on the first "e":
    But, then again, on his book, it's not present:

    So, honestly....I'm not sure! I wouldn't sweat it, they misspelled Sal's name, too. They put "Monella" instead of "Minella".

    Speaking of signatures, I think it would be nice if in the next edition of the Muppet Character encyclopedia, that they could include the Muppet's signatures. Now, this is just provided that a second edition is made, and if this version sells well. They could just include a little spot on each character's page for what their signature looks like. Or, depending on the character, the signature could be rather big (Thog's signature isn't gonna be the same size as Rizzo's).

    I dunno, maybe it's just me. But I sure would like to see that. C'mon. Don't tell me you wouldn't wanna see what Splurge's autograph looks like.
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  11. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry, but my blind batty eyes don't let me see what you posted above. But going by Spanish accentuation rules, it should be "Pepe". The phonetic stress emphasis is on the first of a two-syllable word, which means you then look to the last letter of the second of the two-syllable word. If it ends in a vowel, an "n", or an "s", then no accent is required. Unless you need to brake the dual vowel diphthong for phonetic reasonings, turn a one-syllable word into a two-syllable word like "maíz" (corn) or "raíz" (root).

    *Leaves guava filled muffins. :hungry:
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Really? I keep looking at the content listing page on Muppet Wiki and Frackles is not listed. I guess it might be an oversight.

    And by Green Frackle, it is Gloat, right, and not the one that's also known as Green Scoff (that characters design was labeled "Green Frackle", but was actually called Green Scoff in a Muppet Show Annual) or the green one that looks like a green version of Boppity (the Blue Frackle)?

    I'm sort of surprised Mo Frackle isn't included. He's been used in a lot of productions in the last few years, after being absent for a long time after his initial appearances on Family Feud in 2001.

    I decided to count the pages and characters. It looks like there are less than 150 pages (but I don't know what all is two or more pages, and as you said there are "filler" pages which I guess aren't listed on the wiki page). Then I counted all characters, including pairings, and I counted either 202 or 204 characters (I should have said this right away when I started posting). That includes five Clodhoppers, eight Muppaphone (even though there's usually only six, but their first appearance had eight), five members of the Muppets Tonight band, eight members of Geri and the Atrics (including Geri's replacement and the false teeth), three Mutations, five Moopets (assuming Foozie is included), two Snowths, four Fazoobs, three Leprechauns, three Hobos, and I even counted both Robin and Tiny Tim separately (I probably shouldn't have, but the book does include him in the Cratchet Children page), but there are groups I counted only once, like Chickens, Penguins, Lobsters, and Muppet Food.

    Looking at the list, I see now that Muppy is actually included. I didn't see it before.

    I'm surprised '80s Robot is not in this. '80s Robot does appear in Muppets Most Wanted, which the book apparently gives a lot of focus to when it comes to characters who appear in that movie (if there's a second edition maybe it should focus less on MMW). It does include the Hobos, after all.
  13. galagr

    galagr Well-Known Member

    Yes, those are the ones I'm talking about. Although, in the book, JG is referred to as "Jade green hunchbacked Frackle", Gloat is referred to as "Grumpy green Frackle", and Boppity is referred to as "Bolshy blue Frackle".

    Well, this book is actually a bit complicated when it comes to that schtuff. Kermit's Introduction isn't until page nine (the pages before are just title pages, introductory pages, etc.), and the actual characters don't start until page 12. The character pages end at 192, and the rest are acknowledgements, farewells, index, etc. So that's an extra 19 pages right there.

    What I meant by "filler pages" was that spread throughout the book, there are a few two page spreads of screenshots from MMW, as well as more two page spreads for certain main characters. I count nine, which adds up to 18 pages. That's 18 other characters they could've added right there.

    So that's 37 pages, which adds up to about 187 so far, and the 13 left out are just random/assorted/who cares pages.
  14. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    After going through the list at Muppet Wiki's article again, there's no listed mention of "Frackles". Mayhaps that's an oversight, is the Frackles group page just before George the Janitor's page?

    Also, the only other character exclusively from MMW besides Constantine to have been included were the Leprechauns, who apparently serve as security guards for something or other.
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One thing I wonder: With a lot of new information given to existing characters, and this book's lack of behind-the-scenes information, I wonder if any errors in the book (besides listing incorrect first appearances for characters, if there are any errors on first appearances) would count as mistakes, or merely different continuity (remember, the Muppets don't have just one canon).

    The Leprechauns briefly appear in the trailers.
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  16. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    All the info on the book sounds great- I will have to check it out at the bookstore when I get a chance. So it looks like this book covers The Muppets, insomuch as Kermit and the denizens of The Muppet Show:concern: , as well as some of the Muppets Tonight!:skeptical: and The Jim Henson Hour:electric: gang. (Though apparently very limited on that last one, which is a shame.) And it looks like characters from movies and TV-movies and specials and such are included as well? (or at least some of them).
    I'd love to see a couple of things done with this format- first of all, a second volume would probably be good in order to showcase characters that didn't make the cut for this book.
    And I'd also love to see this kind of book done for other shows- mainly Sesame Street:wisdom: and Fraggle Rock:excited: . That would be cool. A Henson Creature Workshop one would be neat too because then we could have characters from The Dark Crystal:scary: , Labyrinth, Mirrormask and the Storyteller segments of The Jim Henson Hour included- and maybe other shows like Dinosaurs and The Ghost of Faffner Hall, Mopatop's Shop, Bear in the Big Blue House:cry: , etc. could fit in here. (So, basically, a book to include all the Henson characters that aren't considered part of "The Muppets", but are still, of course- Muppets.;) )
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

  18. SkeetScootSquat

    SkeetScootSquat Well-Known Member

    Yolanda isn't in there!?!?! I guess that's acceptable 'cause there is a rats group page... But the fact that Droop is only mentioned and doesn't have a page hits me like a metal bullet. and there is no 80s Robot page! I cant wait to buy it though. I may be disappointed, but I'm a sucker for muppets.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Looking at the Sweetums page, I find it interesting it says Sweetums likes "Breakfast, lunch, and dinner". Somehow I feel it would have been better to just say he liked breakfast, as a nod to The Frog Prince where he wanted Robin for breakfast (apparently, having Robin for lunch, dinner, or just a snack wouldn't do).
  20. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    While I understand that us Walters of infinitely obsessive Muppet knowledge would pick up on that potential reference linking :grr: with his appearance in The Frog Prince, it's an old comedy standard. The joke is that a big monster-type or big eater character would say they like "breakfast, lunch and dinner as their favorite meal" because they love any and all meals as their favorite, it doesn't matter which, so long as they get to chow down.

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