President Obama!

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I plan to be prepared for the next one though! How soon is too soon to registered?
Ooh, Heralde, I liked that line about womens' superiority! Can I use it as a signature?
I understand, I think the registration and voting process is still a bit disorganized. I know people have mailed away for registration and nothing happened. Guess you have to just keep at it. I'm not sure if there's a specific time you can register or if you can do it anytime. I'll ask around about that.

Oh sure you can definitely use it as a signature! I'm not positive where I first heard it, but you can just use the quote. It's awesome! :mad::flirt:
 

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you know it kind of shocked me that more women didn't vote for Palen. She showed the true spirit of the strong American working woman, and she was preety to! I personaly would really like to see her prove herself more with the goverment.
Well I mean for me, I liked that she was pro-life, but didn't like her views on the enviornment (like drilling and all). And I didn't think she was ready to take over the Presidency if necessary. But I do admire her for the work she's done and being a competent leader of a state.

I think more of the candidates should have been governors, rather than senators. Govenors actually have experience leading. Richardson might have been a good choice, but again, money became an issue.
 

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It makes me wonder why Obama won when Kerry didn't. Just curious...
Obama connected with people and raised funds directly from them via the internet. Kerry always seemed aloof and married into money that helped fund his campaign. Also Obama always stayed on point, chose the issues to push and never altered his message to suit the room. I think the distinctions between the two campaigns are crystal clear. I still feel like we're living in a sci-fi futuristic movie.
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On a different topic - I am very disappointed in Prop 8 passing in California. [For those of you that don't care to read about his issue, you should skip to the next post] I have long felt that homophobia is the last remaining acceptable prejudice in this country. Religious organizations and households are free to believe and teach as they choose, but should not make restrictive laws on others. Preventing my partner and me from getting married is not the same as preventing murder, theft or general mischief that transcends a particular religious dogma. Also, the horrifically misleading "They are coming for your children" sorts of ads in support of Prop 8 were largely supported by the Mormon Church. I believe their tax exempt status should be reviewed if they have that much tithe money to spend on political legislation.

:grouchy: It is the country club politics of, "Our organization means nothing if you can join!" sort of thinking that panders to the ickiest parts of the human condition. However, gay marriage should never be a local issue. I firmly believe it is a national one. How can I build a life with someone in one state and have none of it recognized in another if the economy requires job relocation? The signing of contracts for medical benefits, property rights and domestic unions are lengthy, insufficient and insulting. They also can vary vastly from place to place.

Straight couples can get hitched in a Vegas drive-though chapel/burger joint. This has never been some “Sanctity of Marriage” issue. Bogus! Countries like Ireland make it vary difficult to divorce and acquire numerous marriages as in the US. :search: The real issue is that religious conservative parents have no desire to explain gay marriage to their kids - especially their disapproval of it in a way that doesn't make them appear intolerant. No matter what side of the issue you fall on, that is the real center of the conflict. Everything else is just noise. When the problem is adequately addressed the solution for it can become clear.

The tide will change on this gay rights issue, just not yet. It was such a close call. I still can't believe that our President Elect actually mentioned gay men and women in his historical acceptance speech last night. He didn't have to do that. It clearly wouldn't help him in the larger picture. That's a little bit of hope I can take with me in making last night's victories more sweet than bitter-sweet. :sympathy:
 

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On a different topic - I am very disappointed in Prop 8 passing in California. [For those of you that don't care to read about his issue, you should skip to the next post] I have long felt that homophobia is the last remaining acceptable prejudice in this country. Religious organizations and households are free to believe as they choose, but should not make restrictive laws on others.
I'm sorry, that is a shame, really. There's still a lot of weird stuff in this country. Though ironically, I think both homosexuals and religious end up under the most scrutiny by the government, simply for having opinions different from the "prevailing legal wisdom." (I don't mean about Churches being against gay marriage, I mean for completely different issues.) :smile:
 

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Ah, I didn't see his speech. What did he say? I'm not gay, but this is still an issue I take interest in.
 

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Transcript of President Elect Barack Obama's Victory Speech

:super: Hello, Chicago.

If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.

It’s the answer told by lines that stretched around schools and churches in numbers this nation has never seen, by people who waited three hours and four hours, many for the first time in their lives, because they believed that this time must be different, that their voices could be that difference.

It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.

We are, and always will be, the United States of America.

It’s the answer that led those who’ve been told for so long by so many to be cynical and fearful and doubtful about what we can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day.

It’s been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this date in this election at this defining moment change has come to America.

A little bit earlier this evening, I received an extraordinarily gracious call from Sen. McCain.

Sen. McCain fought long and hard in this campaign. And he’s fought even longer and harder for the country that he loves. He has endured sacrifices for America that most of us cannot begin to imagine. We are better off for the service rendered by this brave and selfless leader.

I congratulate him; I congratulate Gov. Palin for all that they’ve achieved. And I look forward to working with them to renew this nation’s promise in the months ahead.

I want to thank my partner in this journey, a man who campaigned from his heart, and spoke for the men and women he grew up with on the streets of Scranton and rode with on the train home to Delaware, the vice president-elect of the United States, Joe Biden.

And I would not be standing here tonight without the unyielding support of my best friend for the last 16 years the rock of our family, the love of my life, the nation’s next first lady Michelle Obama.

Sasha and Malia I love you both more than you can imagine. And you have earned the new puppy that’s coming with us to the new White House.

And while she’s no longer with us, I know my grandmother’s watching, along with the family that made me who I am. I miss them tonight. I know that my debt to them is beyond measure.

To my sister Maya, my sister Alma, all my other brothers and sisters, thank you so much for all the support that you’ve given me. I am grateful to them.

And to my campaign manager, David Plouffe, the unsung hero of this campaign, who built the best — the best political campaign, I think, in the history of the United States of America.

To my chief strategist David Axelrod who’s been a partner with me every step of the way.

To the best campaign team ever assembled in the history of politics you made this happen, and I am forever grateful for what you’ve sacrificed to get it done.

But above all, I will never forget who this victory truly belongs to. It belongs to you. It belongs to you.

I was never the likeliest candidate for this office. We didn’t start with much money or many endorsements. Our campaign was not hatched in the halls of Washington. It began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and the front porches of Charleston. It was built by working men and women who dug into what little savings they had to give $5 and $10 and $20 to the cause.

It grew strength from the young people who rejected the myth of their generation’s apathy who left their homes and their families for jobs that offered little pay and less sleep.

It drew strength from the not-so-young people who braved the bitter cold and scorching heat to knock on doors of perfect strangers, and from the millions of Americans who volunteered and organized and proved that more than two centuries later a government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth.

This is your victory.

And I know you didn’t do this just to win an election. And I know you didn’t do it for me.

You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime — two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century.

Even as we stand here tonight, we know there are brave Americans waking up in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan to risk their lives for us.

There are mothers and fathers who will lie awake after the children fall asleep and wonder how they’ll make the mortgage or pay their doctors’ bills or save enough for their child’s college education.

There’s new energy to harness, new jobs to be created, new schools to build, and threats to meet, alliances to repair.

The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.

I promise you, we as a people will get there.

There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as president. And we know the government can’t solve every problem.

But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And, above all, I will ask you to join in the work of remaking this nation, the only way it’s been done in America for 221 years — block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.

What began 21 months ago in the depths of winter cannot end on this autumn night.

This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were.

It can’t happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other.

Let us remember that, if this financial crisis taught us anything, it’s that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers.

In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let’s resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

Let’s remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.

Those are values that we all share. And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, we are not enemies but friends. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection.

And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need your help. And I will be your president, too.

And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces, to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of the world, our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand.

To those — to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America’s beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.

That’s the true genius of America: that America can change. Our union can be perfected. What we’ve already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

This election had many firsts and many stories that will be told for generations. But one that’s on my mind tonight’s about a woman who cast her ballot in Atlanta. She’s a lot like the millions of others who stood in line to make their voice heard in this election except for one thing: Ann Nixon Cooper is 106 years old.

She was born just a generation past slavery; a time when there were no cars on the road or planes in the sky; when someone like her couldn’t vote for two reasons — because she was a woman and because of the color of her skin.

And tonight, I think about all that she’s seen throughout her century in America — the heartache and the hope; the struggle and the progress; the times we were told that we can’t, and the people who pressed on with that American creed: Yes we can.

At a time when women’s voices were silenced and their hopes dismissed, she lived to see them stand up and speak out and reach for the ballot. Yes we can.

When there was despair in the dust bowl and depression across the land, she saw a nation conquer fear itself with a New Deal, new jobs, a new sense of common purpose. Yes we can.

When the bombs fell on our harbor and tyranny threatened the world, she was there to witness a generation rise to greatness and a democracy was saved. Yes we can.

She was there for the buses in Montgomery, the hoses in Birmingham, a bridge in Selma, and a preacher from Atlanta who told a people that “We Shall Overcome.” Yes we can.

A man touched down on the moon, a wall came down in Berlin, a world was connected by our own science and imagination.

And this year, in this election, she touched her finger to a screen, and cast her vote, because after 106 years in America, through the best of times and the darkest of hours, she knows how America can change.

Yes we can.

America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves — if our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper, what change will they see? What progress will we have made?

This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment.
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This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can.

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States :attitude:
 

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I was all by myself last night, so the only celebrations I took part in were online. I don't think my neighbors did anything, I didn't hear any screaming or fireworks or clanging pans.
 

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I have said it before and it bears repeating that Muppet Central is attended by members of all sorts. We're made up of all sorts of political ideals and backgrounds. This goes for the staff as well. I'm woohooing it here, so you'll have some company. :wink:


heralde said:
I'm sorry, that is a shame, really. There's still a lot of weird stuff in this country. Though ironically, I think both homosexuals and religious end up under the most scrutiny by the government, simply for having opinions different from the "prevailing legal wisdom." (I don't mean about Churches being against gay marriage, I mean for completely different issues.)
I have often wanted to research and write some sort of report about two of the largest groups of Muppet fans being gays and Christians. It is a very cool, very odd thing that just makes sense in the Muppetverse. Of course such an article would likely not be published on this site. Maybe the forum, but it's really not the place for it. I likely wouldn't even get around to it and my spelling and grammar is beyond awful. My misspent college years drained away a lot of my fine private school education.

I just think it’s cool how our new President can mention God and gays in the same speech. It gives me hope.
 

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I have often wanted to research and write some sort of report about two of the largest groups of Muppet fans being gays and Christians. It is a very cool, very odd thing that just makes sense in the Muppetverse.
Oh yeah you should, that would be an interesting phenomenon to observe! And sometimes these things are done with people not even realizing it. :wink:
 

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Im not a repuican I'm a christian first and formost, and thats what i help base my voting on. I did not vote in this election because i felt that the Repulcans had the wrong man. I really thought that Mike Hucabee would have made a great president. He had a very interesting tax plan, and I also think he would have handled the war alright.
I also want to say I was wrong about one thing about Obama i heard today that he was going to carefully pull our troops out. That makes me feel a little better, but not much.
Still the man is going to be our president and i will show him respect. I wll pray for him daly and hope that he will do the right thngs.
 
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