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[beaker]

Dr Tooth, you need to see the oscar nominated 2009 documentary "Outrage", which exposes just how many virulently anti gay Republicans on the hill are themselves closeted homosexuals. And I still think the elite killed the DC Madam, who was about to reveal a treasure trove of bedroom secrets on powerful DC politicians. Also notice that(and its mostly Republican politicians) are caught being gay, it's never about actual love...it's like this sort of Roman era deviant power struggle. That's why they all go to Bohemian Grove and bus in male prostitutes. So many Dem and Republican politicians are just sexual deviant scumbags.

But like you were saying, it's really not even an issue other for the rampant hypocrisy issue. Especially Republicans feigning righteous indignation toward things they do in spades. To me the REAL offensive things are when they loot the treasury, lie to go to war, and pull stuff like help engineer a deadly anti gay agenda in "Christian" African nations.

Next year will be nuts...as I predict it won't merely be the predictable boring GOP guys slinging mud and the usual college hipsters voting in another four years of Obama with their twitter smart phones. I forsee a series of truly game changing, out of left field(tho ultimately not surprising) events, or a convergence of disparate layers. These could include a total financial collapse of Europe that spills over to us, new wars, major flareup in the middle east, a natural disaster that's catastrophic in scope, shocking events that could trigger riots or even race riots, or even "terrorism". And the reason I say this is because of a mix of Murphy's Law and eschalogical end timers of any religion wanting to make 2012 sure seem like the end times. "May you live in interesting times"

But regarding the political kabuki, I'm proud of the Occupiers for rejecting the DNC co-option attempt and for speaking out against Obama and Democrats who suck up to wallstreet. I just fear people will fall back into a position of the predictable circular time wasting arguments of 2008

 

[Drtooth]

But like you were saying, it's really not even an issue other for the rampant hypocrisy issue. Especially Republicans feigning righteous indignation toward things they do in spades. To me the REAL offensive things are when they loot the treasury, lie to go to war, and pull stuff like help engineer a deadly anti gay agenda in "Christian" African nations.

It's all about scaring people to vote for them. That's how the very same Middle East dictators we want to blow up (or help come into power and THEN want to blow up) get into power. I cannot see a difference between the Iran guy with the impossible to pronounce name and Bush. They even look-a-like. The younger people REALLY actually hate him and want him gone, but the older religious types are so scared of anything new and decadent that they go for the guy who likes to stroke his nukes.

Next year will be nuts...as I predict it won't merely be the predictable boring GOP guys slinging mud and the usual college hipsters voting in another four years of Obama with their twitter smart phones. I forsee a series of truly game changing, out of left field(tho ultimately not surprising) events, or a convergence of disparate layers. These could include a total financial collapse of Europe that spills over to us, new wars, major flareup in the middle east, a natural disaster that's catastrophic in scope, shocking events that could trigger riots or even race riots, or even "terrorism". And the reason I say this is because of a mix of Murphy's Law and eschalogical end timers of any religion wanting to make 2012 sure seem like the end times. "May you live in interesting times"

But regarding the political kabuki, I'm proud of the Occupiers for rejecting the DNC co-option attempt and for speaking out against Obama and Democrats who suck up to wallstreet. I just fear people will fall back into a position of the predictable circular time wasting arguments of 2008

Heh... I'm already considering 2012 to be the end. If Europe's not at war with itself over their own stupidity WW1 style, I'll be surprised. I worry about that MORE than any Middle Eastern quagmire... cuz, let's face it... we'll always be at war with that crappy piece of land no matter what and no matter who's in charge. But Europe's something to be constantly worried about. And not in the way that Investards are purposely causing yet another recession so they can get cheap stocks and short term gains... It's like... it's an easy solve, just fix it already. Ho out the former president of Italy for a fortune. That would make back up whatever they lost, AND he'd tend to enjoy that.

I'd love to be happy for the Occupy people rejecting the Dems... really I would... but I fear another vote split voting for another dangerously unqualified indie candidate would lead Darth Romney into power. And if his MA governorship was any indication, he'll dump the country to try to run for an even higher office or something. The one good thing about the Dems (and this is sad) is that they'd actually raise the taxes slightly on the wealthy. The Reps are already looking for insane rationalizations of making sure they keep getting huge tax breaks off of us, and give them OUR money to not do what they should be doing in the first place.

 

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I'd love to be happy for the Occupy people rejecting the Dems... really I would... but I fear another vote split voting for another dangerously unqualified indie candidate would lead Darth Romney into power.

If more people went by their example and rejected both parties things might actually change. Instead of bouncing from one corrupt party to the other and back again, telling them we don't mind falling for their games. Our votes are going wasted no matter who wins. No matter who wins, we the people loose and it's our own fault.

 

[Drtooth]

Again, a viable, official third party would take years and years to form. Despite the fact that some people feel failed by the Dems and think the Reps have become draconian suck ups to the wealthy, we're not quite there yet. Voters talk a big game, they keep saying they want a third party, but in the end we're stuck with two because no one can agree to what they actually want in a third party. If a single party president that tries to find middle ground can't bring people closer together, then there's no way extreme right or extreme left parties would.

The thing is, the left doesn't like the president because he's weak, he's for Wall Street (I guarantee you anyone in that position is), and he let the very same wars that Bush started that he vowed to get rid of go on as scheduled... the right hates him for imaginary socialism, imaginary Islamic ties, imaginary tax hikes, the health care reform and all the imaginary rumors circulated by Squawking heads, and of course justified complaints about bank bail outs (yet they refuse regulation to prevent it from happening again... hmmmm) and the fact he lost a half a day in Iraq's worth of money in a mismanaged solar energy company. The country can't even agree to why they don't like the president. And frankly, the one thing they can agree on, hating the bank bailout (which, again, would have happened no matter who was elected, but said squawking heads would be on the government's side)... they can't even agree on who to blame for it. A third party would have to be perfectly middle of the road, and unfortunately, the country is moving so far right, middle of the road is far left socialism.

Above all, the thing that bugs me the most is when it comes to the Occupy movement, the Dems at least pretend to sympathize with them. Yeah, sure, it's in a "Please vote for us" way that's entirely phoney, but at least they're not bashing the movement as "radical socialists," "anarchists," or "spoiled brats" like the right (who stands to benefit from them splitting the vote...HELLOOOOO) has been doing lately. I mean, part of the movement was started BECAUSE the right kept slashing budgets and destroying social security and unemployment to feed their corporate masters with corporate welfare.

 

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Again, a viable, official third party would take years and years to form.

It took years for our government to form and no one knew what would happen. People were genuinely afraid it would never come to pass. Sometimes we have to take these risks.

 

[newsmanfan]

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Heralde, your current signature seems uniquely suited for this thread.

Have read over all DrTooth, et al, have posted here, and I tend to agree... the Middle East is just effed, always will be. Our puny white ways are not going to change thousands of years of abuse and tyranny. Europe is indeed the scarier prospect, at least financially. It kills me that financial newsheads are chirping about the "upswing in consumer spending"...duh. It's Xmas. People have been saving for months to get their kids/loved ones/family that special gift! Come January we'll plunge again, and those temp jobs will all be laid off, and the morons on the right will jump up and down yelling Wolf at Obama again. Because this all has NOTHING to do with the millions who've been out of work for months, or the companies who moved their jobs overseas so the stockholders could see better profits....nahhhh.

Beaker's post about his prophecies for 2012 is rather unnerving, since I could easily see ALL of it coming true, and some of it is stuff I hadn't even considered. Israel is going to get into a war with Iran, and both sides will claim the other started it, and the US will have to choose whether to support the craziness or tend to our own (however poorly)...the remarks recently in the news between Obama and Sarkozy about Israel's prez lead me to believe that we and Europe aren't pleased with the current hardline govt over there, and when war starts -- WHEN not IF -- Israel will find itself suddenly friendless. (Er...I'm not religious in the least, but yeah, I know the Revelation stuff too.) War there could go global...think about fallout...think about oil supplies being simply destroyed, which would leave Russia and China in charge of that entire sector. But I'm sure they'd deal fairly with everyone...yep. Anyone wanna rent my beachside cottage in Nebraska?

And speaking of oil, I am delighted that we've delayed the Canada pipeline and dismayed that it's only a delay. That whole project is nuts, as is the fracking currently tearing up the Dakotas and other states. Glad they found another earthlike planet finally...this one's just about done.
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Heralde, your current signature seems uniquely suited for this thread.

Thanks, I was just trying to demonstrate that it's not unusual for the Muppets to make comments on putting profits ahead of morality.

the Middle East is just effed, always will be.

Makes you wonder how much longer they will hold out before they admit their way isn't working, heh.

 

[Drtooth]

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Have read over all DrTooth, et al, have posted here, and I tend to agree... the Middle East is just effed, always will be. Our puny white ways are not going to change thousands of years of abuse and tyranny. Europe is indeed the scarier prospect, at least financially. It kills me that financial newsheads are chirping about the "upswing in consumer spending"...duh. It's Xmas. People have been saving for months to get their kids/loved ones/family that special gift! Come January we'll plunge again, and those temp jobs will all be laid off, and the morons on the right will jump up and down yelling Wolf at Obama again. Because this all has NOTHING to do with the millions who've been out of work for months, or the companies who moved their jobs overseas so the stockholders could see better profits....nahhhh.

What gets me is the fact everyone thinks we're still in a recession. We aren't and we haven't been for years. The markets are better than they have been. It's just the caca head stock traders WANT us to keep thinking we're in a recession so they can buy up stocks on the cheap and make tidy little short term profits for themselves, then they manipulate the markets again so they can sell them at their highest, leading the dumber get rich quick stock traders to panic and plunge us back into the darkness, only to scoop up cheap stocks again. THEY are the reason oil's been so expensive this year... they started up speculating that China will use some (they already have some, possibly more than we'll ever have), and then when the Arab Spring came to town, it was Christmas for them. Why else do you think oil prices would jump the way they did when 2% of it was at stake?

Beaker's post about his prophecies for 2012 is rather unnerving, since I could easily see ALL of it coming true, and some of it is stuff I hadn't even considered. Israel is going to get into a war with Iran, and both sides will claim the other started it, and the US will have to choose whether to support the craziness or tend to our own (however poorly)...the remarks recently in the news between Obama and Sarkozy about Israel's prez lead me to believe that we and Europe aren't pleased with the current hardline govt over there, and when war starts -- WHEN not IF -- Israel will find itself suddenly friendless. (Er...I'm not religious in the least, but yeah, I know the Revelation stuff too.) War there could go global...think about fallout...think about oil supplies being simply destroyed, which would leave Russia and China in charge of that entire sector. But I'm sure they'd deal fairly with everyone...yep. Anyone wanna rent my beachside cottage in Nebraska?

Israel is JUST as bad as the rest of the Middle East. Iran desperately wants someone to toss the first nuke, and if its not the US (yet) it will be Israel. Think about it... they've been literally holding up the Middle Finger and making kissy noises the past several years. That "Holocaust never existed" crap Iran's idiot leader has been spewing was a nice little piece of cheese to bait the trap. I don't see why killing hundreds of thousands of people because we don't like a dictator is so much better than just slitting that guy's throat and making it look like an accident.

Did I mention the US secretly sent Israel weapons? And they were worried the US wasn't on their side with Obama.

 

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Israel is JUST as bad as the rest of the Middle East.

Except on little things like women's rights.

 

[newsmanfan]

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Read the other day about the Afghan prez "pardoning" a woman in prison for sex outside of marriage who'd been raped by her uncle -- and he was pardoning her because she'd agreed to marry the uncle! And we SUPPORT these people without demanding serious change? WHAT?

The entire Middle East disgusts me. Can we say stuck in 1300? BC? I knew we could.
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