The Bible and Love and Christians

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I'm merely pointing that out as it brings out the point of the matter, Perry is an extremist. Loudly supporting either one of those like it's an accomplishment is something you do NOT want to hear in any politician's speech. I do get what you're saying though.

Definitely, I did get where you were coming from and I had no problem with it, I agreed with it. I just didn't like being told to "get off" a topic when we were clearly talking about other off topic things as well.

In my own way, I support separation of Church and State because I think in theory (heh) it should mean we put aside what's different and just focus on what we have in common. But not everyone sees it that way; they think it's an excuse to push down views they don't agree with (not talking about you, you never said that ).

 

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Dr Tooth, yeah that makes no sense...how can Tea Party people claim to be rebels, anti corrupt and anti government yet support the most hardliner crypto fascists out there? Bizarre. I at least can kind of see eye to eye with the right wing Christian fringe who hate the government no matter who is president and believes in shadowy conspiracies. I just hate this Texas Taliban mentality.

I reluctantly support the death penalty and abortion rights. I absolutely do not support war no matter what baloney excuse our corrupt leaders feed to us. But to me it is all death...abortion, war, etc. We live in a death worship culture sadly.

 

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So, I bumped this thread to post my new thoughts on homosexuality but it seems as if somebody turned this into a political discussion. Seriously, people, you've already created threads for this. Go rant about your hate for the tea party and hate for Rick Perry somewhere else. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved.

 

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So, I bumped this thread to post my new thoughts on homosexuality but it seems as if somebody turned this into a political discussion. Seriously, people, you've already created threads for this. Go rant about your hate for the tea party and hate for Rick Perry somewhere else. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved.

I understand; we all were getting off topic. Well I said I was willing to talk more about homosexuality when you first bumped the thread. And after that we talked about gay actors and issues with the tabloids. So we have also been staying on topic as well. Feel free to contribute.

 

[Drtooth]

So, I bumped this thread to post my new thoughts on homosexuality but it seems as if somebody turned this into a political discussion. Seriously, people, you've already created threads for this. Go rant about your hate for the tea party and hate for Rick Perry somewhere else. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved.

I've said it before. Religion and politics are disgustingly intertwined. I do not want any politicians that have their beliefs hinder the freedom of others. That's not America. Small government ISN'T defining marriage in a one size fits all, illegalizing porn, and censoring everything to fit someone's hang ups. That'd be like someone getting rid of rights the right can only fully appreciate. It's about working together and finding middle ground. Why not then, point out how extremists are farthest from what the general public wants. Besides, Ron Paul believes in the very same thing the Tea Party really wants, and he's just getting little support from the media and his own party. If I were him, I'd dump the party and go indie. If you're really anti-government, and you can't trust them, then why not send a message to both sides with an independent vote. That's what far lefties do, voting for guys like Nader... Heck, I don't like most of his policies, but I'd vote for him if he ran indie. Point is, we need to junk the two party system if we actually want any real change.

As I said, I want to see church and state separated at the political level. No more politicians talking about how Jesus wants this, or Jesus wants that... Only the bible can tell us what Jesus wanted, not some schmuck who will say anything to try to get elected. It isn't just about fear of making religious based laws or religious teaching based on political hang ups (and I've seen everything rationalized, even destroying and polluting a planet that God left them)... it's about people voting for what they want in a country, not what they want out of their religion.

 

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We live in a death worship culture sadly.

Life is a bit too scary for most of us in society, on many levels.

Culture can and does change, but it takes time and often some major events. Like I fully believe our two party system will destroy itself eventually, and then we'll have to deal with the issues our leaders refused to look at, including all the issues we've discussed in this thread over time.

 

[beaker]

So, I bumped this thread to post my new thoughts on homosexuality but it seems as if somebody turned this into a political discussion. Seriously, people, you've already created threads for this. Go rant about your hate for the tea party and hate for Rick Perry somewhere else. Otherwise, I'm not getting involved.

I'm a big fan of the *original* modern Tea Party protest movement from a few years ago

 

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I've said it before. Religion and politics are disgustingly intertwined. I do not want any politicians that have their beliefs hinder the freedom of others. That's not America. Small government ISN'T defining marriage in a one size fits all, illegalizing porn, and censoring everything to fit someone's hang ups. That'd be like someone getting rid of rights the right can only fully appreciate. It's about working together and finding middle ground. Why not then, point out how extremists are farthest from what the general public wants. Besides, Ron Paul believes in the very same thing the Tea Party really wants, and he's just getting little support from the media and his own party. If I were him, I'd dump the party and go indie. If you're really anti-government, and you can't trust them, then why not send a message to both sides with an independent vote. That's what far lefties do, voting for guys like Nader... Heck, I don't like most of his policies, but I'd vote for him if he ran indie. Point is, we need to junk the two party system if we actually want any real change.

As I said, I want to see church and state separated at the political level. No more politicians talking about how Jesus wants this, or Jesus wants that... Only the bible can tell us what Jesus wanted, not some schmuck who will say anything to try to get elected. It isn't just about fear of making religious based laws or religious teaching based on political hang ups (and I've seen everything rationalized, even destroying and polluting a planet that God left them)... it's about people voting for what they want in a country, not what they want out of their religion.

I always like the rebel. That's why I voted for Cynthia Mckinney in 2008. That's why I'd vote for Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, Roseanne Barr, or someone akin to George Mcgovern or the late RFK.

Christ is portrayed as a rebel. He took on the evil empire controlling people in his area.
That's why I don't get why more Christians aren't rebels, and especially this past decade have blindly supported the government. Even though I'm a liberal, I've often supported the right wing patriots and Alex Jones types because I do believe there is an occult driven new world order controlling the planet, and I see both Democrat and Conservative politicians as willing pawns of this dialectic.

I do not believe accepting homosexuality should be forced down the throats of people...I think sometimes as staunch gay and transgender rights defenders we tend to get a bit too much into scorched earth with rhetoric. We have to accept that some people for whatever reason won't fully accept gays, or blacks, or Mexican immigrants. And that's ok, we all have the right to believe whatever we want. Thankfully America is not Ghana or Uganda where we have squads hunting down gays. I like to try and find common ground with people. We probably are going to have some rather trying and challenging times hitting the planet next year and beyond, so it will be important not to get sidetracked by the left/right tricksterism of wedge issues and pointless back and forth but to see commonalities. I think even a lot of my fellow liberals are too quick to denounce midwestern/southern conservatives as any number of pejoratives.

 

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Christ is portrayed as a rebel. He took on the evil empire controlling people in his area. That's why I don't get why more Christians aren't rebels, and especially this past decade have blindly supported the government.

Well it's hard to be a rebel when you're the establishment religion of a country, lol. You're a kid and it's your parents' religion and you're being taught the morals like it's a school lesson. It's hard to see how that can be rebellious.

However if I watch something like Jesus Christ Superstar, I'm all pumped up to be a Hippie Christian, lol. So a lot of it is in the delivery.

I do not believe accepting homosexuality should be forced down the throats of people...I think sometimes as staunch gay and transgender rights defenders we tend to get a bit too much into scorched earth with rhetoric. We have to accept that some people for whatever reason won't fully accept gays, or blacks, or Mexican immigrants. And that's ok, we all have the right to believe whatever we want. Thankfully America is not Ghana or Uganda where we have squads hunting down gays. I like to try and find common ground with people.

Reminds me of something Apu said on The Simpsons, "I learned long ago, Lisa, to tolerate others, rather than forcing my beliefs on them. You know you can influence people without badgering them always."

 

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I do not believe accepting homosexuality should be forced down the throats of people...I think sometimes as staunch gay and transgender rights defenders we tend to get a bit too much into scorched earth with rhetoric. We have to accept that some people for whatever reason won't fully accept gays, or blacks, or Mexican immigrants. And that's ok, we all have the right to believe whatever we want.

The thing is, both sides do a great job shoving their crap down everyone's throats. Every side wants to play the victim card, and the only difference between the left and the right on this is that pundits on the right just write more and more books about how much of victims they are. After all, they only have a 24/7 news network, thousands of books, thousands of little radio stations, and are taken seriously. The left has been far too oppressive with their sad little indie newspapers that 5 people actually read.

It's anger, bitter division, and I blame how we reacted after certain terrorist attack I can't name... you know, the one where we supposedly came together until Fat-well opened his mouth and blamed the evil atheists who don't publicly stone gays and have women wear pants. And certain politician's war policies continued that.

The problem is, there are well meaning people who say, "I just don't get homosexuality" and just live and let live, and there are mean spirited "God hates fraggs" types who think that one footnote in the bible should be valued over everything else. But I do agree, trying to get anyone to change their views is just absolutely pointless, even if facts and persuasion are persistent. Some of this has to change with passing generations who realize how counter productive everything is. Keeping in mind an imaginary idealistic world that only benefits the few is a dangerous notion.

I'm a big fan of the *original* modern Tea Party protest movement from a few years ago

The problem is the movement has stopped being genuine. I understand full well what they're getting at and what they should want, but it seems like the media swallowed them up, turned them into a "We hates the Obama man" rally, and politicians feel they have to pander to them, EVEN though they account for a small minority. And the craziest of the party completely hijacked it. It happens with ANY protest group. You're only as sane as your craziest voice. During their debate, didn't a bunch of people cheer in a hypothetical situation where a healthy person who didn't buy health insurance died in a coma he didn't expect? Cheering for death? That's not conservative, that's not what the movement should be about. Why aren't they kicking out Hitler sign carrying crazies? I would.

They're worse than the disorganized and pointless war protestors. At least they're easily ignorable and no one lets them have a say in anything. I did dig the Billionaires for Bush movement, but only as a funny cosplay type bit.

Seriously, if these little factions of parties are only furthering to drive the country further into division and bitterness, is it worth is? All we got out of it are stubborn crying politicians that help drive the country even deeper into chaos. A house divided cannot stand. And everyone wonders why the economy has gone no where.