The Bible and Love and Christians

[beaker]

I agree, and in some ways regret my own agitprop or jabbing pejoratives toward people of a differing belief/political viewpoint. If we were all of the same hivemind, it'd be boring. I'm just with you, I think it's wonderful to believe in absolutely anything you want until those beliefs push you do act in ways that take away the beauty of the moment for others(ie: be it religious backed terrorism, taking away gay rights, etc)

But I do have to ask: Where was the Tea Party BEFORE Obama was elected? What, did Washington all the sudden become corrupt?

 

[CensoredAlso]

But I do have to ask: Where was the Tea Party BEFORE Obama was elected? What, did Washington all the sudden become corrupt?

Heh. Good question.

Ultimately, the politicans are putting up this facade of liberal vs conservative and we're the suckers buying into it. In reality, these politicans are all friends and they only care about you during voting season. That's why I can't in good conscience join either party or label myself liberal or conservative. It's schoolyard clique nonesense and nothing more.

 

[beaker]

Heh. Good question.

Ultimately, the politicans are putting up this facade of liberal vs conservative and we're the suckers buying into it. In reality, these politicans are all friends and they only care about you during voting season. That's why I can't in good conscience join either party or label myself liberal or conservative. It's schoolyard clique nonesense and nothing more.

I wish I knew more outside the box thinkers...sadly a lot of the 20 something college kids I meet seem like they're lost in a fog so I usually prefer the company of people in their 30's and 40's

 

[Drtooth]

But I do have to ask: Where was the Tea Party BEFORE Obama was elected? What, did Washington all the sudden become corrupt?

At the root, everyone wants the same thing, but they want polar opposites of how to get it. I don't think ANYONE wants wasteful government spending. It all takes away from the spending we need. The only reason we wanted to go to war was because loudmouths were getting on our case, milking a national tragedy, and making a fortune. Now all the stuff coming out about how much money we blew in the two countries, and that a LOT of it was funneled to the very same people we're supposed to be fighting... why are people more angry at a watered down, easily repealable health care plan? And why don't we have the same righteous indignation about greedy CEO's that get all this government money to do nothing the same way they were about the bailout? We complain about how the politicians get money from these corrupt companies, and then point the fingers at them when one of them goes wrong, yet we didn't complain when the Supreme Court allowed Super Pacs. And my personal favorite, the politicians we had over the past 10 years who kept slashing budgets unwisely to pay for their drunken debauchery. Now we have to make even more painful cuts because some politicians wanted to run for higher office (Cough...Romney...cough cough).

It's ALL bad stuff. It's all stuff that affected us negatively, and we're pointing the wrong fingers at the wrong people. Our problems aren't Bush, Obama, Reagan, Clinton ...etc... it's this guy:

The idiot CEO of any given company that buys the government up so he can do whatever he wants, run his own company into the ground, and then run away with a huge golden parachute, effectively getting rewarded for screwing up. At least with government, you can vote someone out of office and even label them for life. These guys only have to make the filthy little monkeys we call stock holders happy.

That said, if you think I'm being a bit hard on the Tea Party (which is COMPLETELY blind to everything I just said, and so afraid that any change to that would be Commynism), I freaking hate the heck out of Hippies too. I mean... "OOOH! We hate the war so much, we're not going to bathe, smoke pot, and have sex! Why is no one taking us seriously?" And thanks for being so annoying the Religious Right was created just to spite you. Seriously, everyone that lived through that thinks they're so great. They DIDN'T change the world, and when they grew up, they voted for Reagan. Or their spoiled rotten kids did.

 

[beaker]

But Dr Tooth, it's not like there is this soaring innovation with the liberal youth of today, these Obama worshipping Prius driving Whole foods shopping yuppies or the current "iGeneration"...they may be more tolerant than the right as a whole, yes. But they also, like the rest of America seem lost in a fog of entropy. That's why it's staggering to look at 2011 vs 1911...it's like all the endless twittering, facebook, cellphone, texting, instant media stuff as compartmentalized and fragmented minds. While Im sure theres medicine breakthroughs going on, sometimes it seems all the tech focus being developed is of a military or apple type product sort. But people seem kind of directionless, and you mention hippys from the late 60's/early 70's...I WISH we had those. Kids today just seem so apathetic and ignorant of whats going on. Back then you would find truly politically active, anti war youth demanding change. Now it's like "whatevs"

Obama is the perfect puppet candidate for this tech savvy generation, bought and paid for by Wallstreet. At least I can say the Tea Party is active, even if I dont agree with anything they believe in aside from ending the federal reserve. Liberal college kids and yuppys dont seem to care about anything or be aware of anything

 

[Drtooth]

Obama is the perfect puppet candidate for this tech savvy generation, bought and paid for by Wallstreet. At least I can say the Tea Party is active, even if I dont agree with anything they believe in aside from ending the federal reserve. Liberal college kids and yuppys dont seem to care about anything or be aware of anything

But when they do, no one listens to them because they don't have a media exploitable cause. The whole peace protest thing was bull honking crap, disorganized and all... and a LOT of people became disillusioned from it. I NEVER bother with this crap because it only makes a difference if the media and corporations are on your side. The youth can vote, and so far, they've been either completely disillusioned by a weak, pathetic president or just completely lazy. I hate the HECK out of social networking... the only way you can get a job anymore is to drop out of college and come up with the next big ripoff of MySpace with even less frills. Then if everyone else is lucky, those who had 20 years experience as data entrants can fight to the death for one of the jobs they create. And they act like they're totally freaking saviors about it.

But still... the illusion that Hippies "did something" is simply not true. Sure, they had a style and a fashion, but the ONLY reason we got out of Vietnam was because Nixon was looking like a monster after Watergate, and wanted to look good before he got impeached. Heck, Nixon got elected period. Now we dress up as them ironically on Halloween. Other than causing the creation of the Religious Right (which I eternally hate them for, BTW), they just paraded around thinking they changed the world.... then, as I said, they became bitter jaded old people and voted for Reagan anyway.

Only reason we even know of the Tea Party is because certain media outlets and yammerheads have taken advantage of the situation so they can sell more stupid little conspiracy theorist bullcrap books and get higher ratings on their opinion stations. Even if the weak and pathetic "fat girls mocking the popular kids at the lunch table" Air America backed the anti-Bush people, it wouldn't even get a 2 second mention on the nightly news. Disillusionment. No wonder kids aren't going out in the streets. It's a fools errand unless you're for massive tax bailouts for the very same wealthy that's trying to destroy everyone in your economic class.

 

[RedPiggy]

What can you expect from hippies? They were too wasted to do much but slobber and stare. LOL

Not that modern protesters are much better. I was called racist during Mexican protests since I called it abunch of lazy whining (you don't prove your worth @ work if you're chanting instead of working).

I think the young should take a cue from Egypt. They Twittered their way to freedom LOL.

I think we need some homeless preacher randomly healing folks. It worked so well before.

 

[CensoredAlso]

I wish I knew more outside the box thinkers...sadly a lot of the 20 something college kids I meet seem like they're lost in a fog so I usually prefer the company of people in their 30's and 40's

Well there are many perks to youth, but you also can't beat experience.

What can you expect from hippies? They were too wasted to do much but slobber and stare. LOL

Hippies had their good points and bad points. The bad points of course were that many of them were middle class kids who could afford to "drop out" for awhile without worrying too much about the consequences. Plus many of them bought into the nonesense that drugs could lead to enlightenment.

The good point was that many of them did give voice to important issues that their elders preferred to ignore. The way I look at it, they made rebellion a mature concept, as opposed to the juvenile rebellious image of the '50s.

 

[Drtooth]

I think the young should take a cue from Egypt. They Twittered their way to freedom LOL.

Would that be anything like blogging about how much they hated Bush?

Seriously. The only protests people listen to in this country are pro-government and/or pro-establishment.

Facts: Peace Protesters made a lot of loud noise and Bush still got re-elected in 2004. Tea party people whined and got television time, the backing of a certain major network, the backing of loud mouth radio hosts...etc.... and now we have John Boehner the Grouch arguing and not co-operating. Face it... even the pro-war protesters that were protesting the protesters got more media coverage. No matter how underground we want to think the internet is, big news-fo-tainment found a way to break into it and make it there own.

The only way to REALLY stick anything in anyones craw is Wikileaks. And we shut them down BEFORE they were posting the dirty on big banking. Imagine... they could have very well taken big dangerous corporations down.

 

[CensoredAlso]

Facts: Peace Protesters made a lot of loud noise and Bush still got re-elected in 2004.

Well for one, there was no draft. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars only affected families who children willingly went to war. Everyone else just went on with their lives.

Also, sometimes the peace protests took on a sort of "Hanoi Jane" vibe, where the threat of terrorism was played down. Just because America was wrong at times doesn't mean the rest of the world was right.