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Who the heck is Ducky?

Jon Cryer's character from Pretty in Pink. Not exactly the Republican type, lol.

Exactly. But just to be clear, Charlie was never fired for his actions against women nor any substance abuse.

True, unfortunately.

That guy from Grey's Monotony who said the other F word.... I forget was he fired, "leave by his own account" or ACTUALLY leave by his own account?

I believe he was dismissed.

 

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Jon Cryer's character from Pretty in Pink. Not exactly the Republican type, lol.

Probably just wanted the tax cuts. You just never hear of that sort of thing happening to the ones that AREN'T stereotypes. You know, action stars and country musicians.

I believe he was dismissed.

So he was fired completely, then? They didn't do the "Oh, he's decided to leave" dance where they fired him, but put out a press release making it sound like everything was his fault... kinda like when the CN guy "left" because of the Mooninite thing. I hate that. "Stepping down" is just a stock holder friendly euphemism for fired.

 

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Probably just wanted the tax cuts. You just never hear of that sort of thing happening to the ones that AREN'T stereotypes. You know, action stars and country musicians.

Well I didn't vote for McCain* but on the other hand it's nice to see some variety in celebrities' opinions sometimes, lol.

So he was fired completely, then?

Yeah I believe they just told him not to come back for the next season.

*Didn't vote for Obama either, but that's unrelated, lol.

 

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By the way, is that why you chose Zoot as your avatar? I think it was revealed Zoot is Jewish in the telefilm Letters to Santa.

Half and half. When I discovered the muppet show, I immediately LOVED Zoot. Few weeks later I spotted 'letters to santa' on muppet wiki, and with that I even loved him more.

Thanks to you all! I feel a lot better now! XP

 

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Charlie Sheen was axed from the show for bringing private negotiations public. It was apparently in his contract not to do so. He also marred the image of a family program with his extreme behavior under a standard morals clause. His character on the show is out there, but not quite as open with the cocaine and escorts. I'm glad he was fired. Dude behaved like a brat and has had more chances than anyone else in any other profession would have. I think Kutcher presents an interesting direction and he works best on television anyway. Who'd have thought of him as a responsible choice? Now, that fella from Gray's Anatomy was fired for his homophobic comments along with the knowledge that unfortunately gays make up a large margin of GA viewers. Last I heard he's gone from the mainstream and now doing niche projects primarily for African American audiences.

Again, freedom isn't free. You've got to be prepared for the negative reactions of free and open speech.

 

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Im a big fan of 2.5 Men(well, to a point...a lot of episodes I cant stand) but Im surprised a lot of the episodes are allowed to get away with the stuff it does. Virtually every episode Charlie is drunk out of his mind and hooking up with random women or prostitutes. Literally, every single episode of its 8 season run. Though, there's never any episode where it's implied he does hard drugs. Im not even sure if hard drugs are referenced.
By the second half of the (aired) season this year, Sheen just looked terrible...frail, cracked out, haggard, deathly gaunt. I mean I know the Carrie character got fat in the later King of Queens episodes with no explanation or reference, but it definitely effected Sheen's performance to change so drastically. I am not grooving on the Kutcher choice, but its better than the other names floating around(John Stamos?)

Jon Cryer is a Republican? It's funny, I always thought they would have him come out of the closet in 2.5 men...just seemed like some episodes were edging toward that.

 

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Jon Cryer is a Republican? It's funny, I always thought they would have him come out of the closet in 2.5 men...just seemed like some episodes were edging toward that.

Well this doesn't count but I recall Jon Cryer and Molly Ringwald doing a "Reunion" article for Entertainment Weekly and they were asked what their characters would be doing as adults and Molly said something like, "I'm sure Duckie would be out by now." Lol

But anyway, maybe I'm just a silly optimist, but I find it touching that a Republican created such a beloved character. I mean that's what diversity should be about.

 

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By the second half of the (aired) season this year, Sheen just looked terrible...frail, cracked out, haggard, deathly gaunt. I mean I know the Carrie character got fat in the later King of Queens episodes with no explanation or reference, but it definitely effected Sheen's performance to change so drastically. I am not grooving on the Kutcher choice, but its better than the other names floating around(John Stamos?)

She was pregnant at the time, and they DID reference it in one episode. I do remember that.

Honestly, the show should have been canned this year anyway, because... and this is coming from a fan, the show had it's time. It's one foot in the grave anyway, and had Charlie not blown up like an idiot, they could have married off Jon Cryer to that Courtney Thorn Smith character, and have Charlie lose it over the fact the psycho stalker he developed feelings for pretended to marry a plastic dummy and they could have ended it there. But they wanted to milk it for all it was worth, Charlie went nuts... the producers got what they deserved for seeing dollar signs, and once Ashton (who was only ever funny or good in That 70's Show) takes over, the ratings will slide. The first episode, mark my words, will get high ratings for curiosity, but it will FAAAAAAALLLLL and fall hard after that.

Shoulda been Jon Lovitz, all I'm saying.

I honestly don't give a crap if an actor I like is on the right. I mean, I am a might disappointed that Cliff Claven was at those rallies I don't care for, and I really disliked when Kelsey Grammar came up with his Crybaby right wing channel... but do I hate The Agreeable Snowman or Sideshow Bob? No. Heck, I like Ben Stine, EVEN when he's talking... at least he's calm and factual, unlike those who make money. The only people I don't like are the country singers that went along with the "You're with us or against us, and if you're against us, you're a terrorist" mindset and sang evil sounding anthems at the time and of course the politicians themselves. Especially that grandstanding, one-upping John Bohner.

Really, you gotta love that guy. You gotta love a guy who didn't speak out against Iraq and Afghanistan... wars we were in for the wrong reasons but can't stop whining about our involvement in Libya. Oh, you mean that war we're only an unlockable support character in that we tried very hard to avoid when John Kerry (who voted for Iraq) and John McCain (who would have had us completely in there killing the protesters by "accident" for 20 years, making Gadaffy Duck a hero) whined their butts off until we did something but could no longer hold out until NATO started crying and crying until we went in? That Libya?

Yeah, I'm not at all happy we're in another oil fight with a former villain/ally/villain/ally, but face it... they're were going to throw the president under a bus, hijack the bus, and back over him if he went in, or ignored it. He took the middle ground and got tossed under the same bus too. And if anyone else was in charge, we'd REALLY be involved. Gotta love the immature school yard bullying of the politicians.

 

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I honestly don't give a crap if an actor I like is on the right. I mean, I am a might disappointed that Cliff Claven was at those rallies I don't care for, and I really disliked when Kelsey Grammar came up with his Crybaby right wing channel... but do I hate The Agreeable Snowman or Sideshow Bob? No.

That's really the attitude more people should have regarding actors and their characters. They're two completely different animals. A character is like a child the actor has created. And you can't hold a child responsible for the "flaws" of the parent.

 

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@dr tooth: Its so lulzy, now the GOP is positioning themselves as the ANTI war party: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41787051/ns/politics/
I mean yeah, sure Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan...started military action in Libya, Pakistan and now Yemen...but I want to hold out hope they'll start winding down all this mess. Trillions of dollars and countless lives down the drain later...I think even the GOP is realizing we need to focus on America and stop meddling overseas. Especially with our crumbling infrastructure. Heck if the GOP stood for LGBT rights and helping the poor through social programs, I'd be voting Republican. But neither the Dems nor Republicans represent my views, so I usually vote Green Party or truly independent, sometimes Libertarian.

As far as separating the actor/author/musician from real life...well...it's easier said than done. I stopped being an Orson Scott Card fan when I learned he was actively militantly anti gay, to the point of aggressively chairing committees and fundraising for anti gay rights. I love Charlie Sheen's political views..but in private life, the guy is all about hard drugs, hookers, debauchery and even allegations of domestic abuse. So it's hard to separate that from the enjoyment of the character. It's like, can one watch Naked Gun without thinking of OJ's alleged crime?
Strangely any trace of questions swirling around allegations of Michael Jackson were erased when he passed away, but often times it's not always easy for a performer to elevate from accusations and personal troubles(unless you're R Kelly)

Sometimes an actor is just a (thinking of a family friendly word) meanie butthead in real life, or a somewhat deranged hothead. And that can be difficult to separate. Yet if its just a few incidents, I can look past. (Like Michael Richards, as I'll always be a huge Kramer fan)