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Thoughts on Kami

Discussion in 'Sesame Worlds' started by spiderman, Nov 7, 2002.

  1. spiderman

    spiderman New Member

    i'm sure this topic has been done before, but i'm new here and i'm wondering what you guys think about that gay muppet over in europe (was it south africa maybe?)

    i think its dumb.
  2. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member


    You mean Kami? I don't think she's gay. I think she was just born with an HIV infection.
  3. spiderman

    spiderman New Member


    oh, i thought it was gay or something. so it was just born with HIV?

    poor kid. are they gonna show the muppet deteriorate into nothing with legions and diseases too?

    how far are they going to take this?

    is there a mother or father for this poor muppet?

    are they either prostitutes or drug users?

    i'm really interested to know how this happened?

    where is this version of sesame street shot?

    please help
  4. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

  5. spiderman

    spiderman New Member

    cool thanks

    i really appreciate the info, as i am writing a college paper on it
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ahhhh, come on Spidey. It's not nice to liken gay people to drug users and prostitutes. Just had to say that. We are sensitive to all people who visit the board. Know you were kidding though. ;)
  7. spiderman

    spiderman New Member


    i just think if they want to be realistic and show someone with HIV, then they should be realistic and take it all the way and show the downside of it and not just some really happy, helpful, muppet who will never face the real issues of HIV/AIDS.

    you know what i mean?

    i know its a show for kids, so they should just let kids be kids and not introduce issues to them when they have no comprehension of what HIV is.

    whats next, a show where they introduce the taliban as misunderstood, really nice people who are just fighting for what they believe in? yeah this is extreme, but come on people, gimme a break
  8. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    Like many Muppet monster chillun I doubt Kami's Mammy will be seen anywhere.

    This character is suffering the disease like many people do: contracting it innocently. Sometimes blood transfusions, being born with it, etc, just happens to be a cause of infection. It doesn't have to come from drugs, prostitution, or other acts.

    My suggestion is to check out other websites about HIV prior to writing about this character and learn of the different ways it can be contracted.

    By the way, loved your movie, Spiderman. What do you think of my Rubber Chicken acts?

  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    If you had read the article, you would note that the intention of the character is to teach tolerance and prevention of HIV in South Africa. There are no plans to bring the character to the United States.

    South Africa has the most HIV-infected people of any nation in the world: Since 1996, the number of cases has doubled to more than 4 million, or 1 in 10 people, according to estimates by international health agencies.

    We already had a discussion on the issue that got really heated when someone proposed the character should joing America's cast, so you are not alone in your thoughts. But even extreme evangalist, Jerry Fallwell approves of the puppet for South Africa where the disease needs to be addressed on all levels.
  10. spiderman

    spiderman New Member


    in south africa, the adults don't get it innocently. 1 in 9 has AIDS/HIV in africa. the only people that are getting the disease innocently are the children. but the adults are getting it from unsafe sex and drugs. i read a article in newsweek that said that africans believe that if they have AIDS and they have sex with a little virgin child, then the AIDS will magically disappear. they are pretty dumb. i'm just saying, i don't think that Kami's parents got it from birth. chances are, in the continent of africa, they are either prostitutes or drug users, or both. i've checked the facts, cause i'm writing a research paper on AIDS and society for college, and I want to get peoples opinions on a kids show that has characters with AIDS.

    what do you think?
  11. spiderman

    spiderman New Member

    i'm glad you liked my movie

    i hope you had as much fun watching the movie as i had making it. it was tons of fun, and that kirsten dunst is one hot chick, and she's all natural!!!!

    watch out for the next installment of my life due out in summer 2004
  12. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member


    Not all of them got Aids because they wanted to have Sex...

    and not all from drugs...

    See ya
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    At the moment I think you are a person who likes to inflame people. I'm sure you are a nice guy, but you are coming off rather strong. You may consider settling in and start meeting other members before making such bold statements.

    The character of Kami will not have parents (keeping the Sesame tradition) and I believe she contacted the virus at birth. That is the scope of the character - nothing more. It's for kids. But it is needed in a country where the disease is so rampant. That’s it, nothing more.
  14. spiderman

    spiderman New Member


    get it from sex/drugs but MOST of them do. of course the muppet character jsut got it from birth, i just think they should explore the whole issue and not just water it down for kids.

    and yes, i do like to see a certain reaction when i post. most of these subjects are just kinda boring..lets make it interesting
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Being interesting is fine, but offensive behavior will not be tolerated on the board. This is a place for people who love the work of Jim Henson.
  16. radionate

    radionate New Member

    Mr. "Spiderman",

    While I'm proud to see that just about anyone can now get into college, I'm very disappointed that someone of your upstanding social skills would try and tackle a research paper of such great depth.

    Be aware there are people from all walks of life and all corners of the world here. From "normal everyday Joes" to folks with disabilities, there is one thing we all have in common, our common respect for others.

    Please don't try to stir up trouble because you find posts "boring". Delve deeper into the forum, and find topics that interest you. You might be surprised in the responses you'll receive from people.

    The internet is an interesting place. Don't perpetuate the stereotype of people hiding behind the shadows of the web to post inane items just because nobody knows who they are or where they are from. Being banned from MC has happened in the past and most unfortunately will happen again I'm sure.
  17. spiderman

    spiderman New Member

    gimme a break

    i'm not trying to be offensive or anything else. like i said, i'm writing a paper on this issue, and it brings up a very interesting point of what we should and should not subject our children to. i'm just trying to cover all aspects of what people think, and this forum has helped me to see other points of views. i'm sure everybody can tell what i think, which is why i wanted to see what all you guys thought.

    it's been interesting to see what people think, so please keep your responses coming
  18. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    What the FOZ be thinkin'...

    I think this thread is becoming over-heated and folks shouldn't push opinions around too harshly. Keep in mind, it's only opinions. Very few opinions are worth worrying this much over.

    Here's what I'm thinking, though. It's a kids' show. Of COURSE you should water it down for kids, but at the same time you can still give the proper information in a watered-down course. You can't be all "tell-all" with kids who won't understand what you're saying most of the time anyhow. I don't think we have to delve deeper into Kami's parent's lives...her story is about HER, and it's not so much a lesson on living with having been born-with HIV, it's about living with HIV and taking care of one's self (I'm sure), so I think the other option is completely out of the question.

    I mean, if you think it should be delved into deeper, you should discuss how it could be done on a level that children could understand that would not be offensive to their parents and be educational.

    The current course they're sailing seems to be what will work best to me.

  19. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    I think it is dangerous to make assumptions about an entire continent. Africa is the largest continent and is made up of many diverse cultures.

    The AIDS epidemic is a huge problem for many African nations. Before making judgements about the character and behaviors of Africans with AIDS, you might want to do some research into the spread of AIDS in Africa and the availablity of medical care and condoms.

    Kids are dying. Kids are dying after their grandparents and parents have died of AIDS. Can you imagine what that must be like-- watching your entire family, all the adults who care about you, die of this horrible disease and then having to go throw it yourself, alone, while just a little kid?

    In South Africa there is a growing belief that HIV is not connected to AIDS. So people who are HIV+ and trying to come to terms with what the future holds for them, also have to deal with others denying what that future is. The drugs that prolong life and improve the quality of life for people with AIDS and HIV are not as readily available in South Africa as they are in the US. Last figures I saw said 1 in 9 children in South Africa are HIV+. That's kids born with this disease.

    If Takalani Sesame can help 1 in 9 South African children come to terms with their life or can help educate even a handful of other kids-- help them see the person and not just the disease, help them learn they can safely be friends with people with HIV-- well, I think that's great! I wish more organizations were willing to take on the wrath of a few Congressional leaders (among others) to try and make a difference in the world.

    Kami is a child. She is a child who was born with HIV. Her mother died of AIDS. She lives with a foster mother and is making friends with other Muppets. She is living life with a positive attitude. Her job is to show people they do not have to fear people with HIV and kids with HIV can still have full, productive lives. This is a show for young children. It is not a medical show. South Africans are all too aware of the reality of what dying of AIDS is. Kami is about compassion and understanding and acceptance. She is about life, not death.
  20. spiderman

    spiderman New Member


    that was so touching, it made me cry. you deserve some kind of humanitarium award.

    gimme a break, i think people really need to be honest and realize how most of the AIDS virus is spread. some people (kids) are born with it, but you people can't accept the fact that most people bring it on themselves because they are stupid and are not careful.

    yeah, i feel really bad about the kids, it's not their faults their parents were dumb. i wish we could help the kids.

    everybody is getting a little too touchy. i think everybody needs to realize that this isn't Hardball with chris matthews, but a muppet message board

    peace out

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