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Speculation: Potential Sequel for "The Muppets"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by bknatchbull, Mar 1, 2012.

  1. zoebell Active Member

    also, i have a feeling he will likely still be a producer- which means he'll be in on what they're doing with it

    i mean, if he would like them to still be doing quality stuff, the easiest way to do it is to maintain producer status. because the level of involvement of producers vary from film to film- he could easily do his other work and yet still be in on where they're planning to take the muppets in the story and everything
  2. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, since you're the one with all the inner connections and everything, then we can rest for sure that if you confirm it's true, then it is true.

    BUT... if Jason Segel can't be involved with the writing process this time, seriously, is it going to too much trouble to ask actual Muppet writers, like Jim Lewis or Joey Mazzarino to come up with something? I mean perhaps Joey's too busy with his commitments to SST right now, like Kevin, but what about Jim?
  3. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What is the assumption that they didn't help shape the script of the last movie? Remember, the film was almost about Kermit actually living in a big mansion, Walter was to be a ventriloquist figure, and there were a lot of direct references to them being puppets and made of felt all over the script. But said Muppet Studios employees added their input, and it changed the film into something better. There's no doubt, if nothing else, Jim Lewis would help guide Bobin and Stoller to something that's more in character.
  4. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Alright, but then what about Frank? He's been wanting to at least direct a theatrical movie since the "flop" of MFS... is Disney wanting to keep him at bay since he has a tendancy to be rather arrogant, especially since Jim's passing?
  5. heralde Well-Known Member

    It's not arrogance when you actually are that talented. ;)
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  6. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, you know what I mean.
  7. heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah I know, I mean who knows, studio politics are weird things, heh.
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's also not arrogance if you choose to move on with your career and want to do other things. I too would like to see the master back at work, but that's all up to him. Like I said before, I'm not disappointed with the statement he made regarding the obviously rough draft of the script, I'm more disappointed that he wasn't able to as much as call them up and say "here's where I think you went wrong, and here's where I can help." But then again, he IS busy with other things too. I'd love to see him direct, heck... even write again, but that's only if he wants to.
  9. heralde Well-Known Member

    But again you're assuming he didn't. Even if he did there's no guarantee he would be listened to.
  10. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying that this is all over his own directing career, and doing other things, I know about all of that, I'm just saying if he supposedly has been wanting to direct a theatrical Muppet movie all these years, what exactly is preventing him from doing so? Is it studio politics, like heralde says? Is it really because he's got his own career now? Or is it because other people want to avoid him because of the reports of his arrogance?

    I mean, not to start anything against Frank or anything, I admire the man almost as much as I admire Jim, he was Jim's number two go-to guy after all, but I have wondered how well he worked with others... he seems to have worked well with both Jerry's (Nelson and Juhl), and David Rudman has nothing but praise for him, but others have said otherwise, like Caroll and others talking about how doing Cookie Monster bits and such where he would pin down their right hands with his left to prevent them from doing too much action, and of course there were those rumors that have never been confirmed nor denied that he wasn't looking forward to performing Bert alongside Steve's Ernie.
  11. zoebell Active Member

    well, i always wondered if frank never developed the right rapport with steve to continue doing things with their characters together. i mean, the whole kermit/fozzie relationship practically disappeared in the 90's, and even kermit and piggy weren't what they used to be

    i feel like eric taking over those characters has enabled them to get back some of the spark of what they had before. kermit/fozzie was resurrected and kermit and piggy have a good dynamic again, after missing it for a while. i think steve and eric work well together
  12. dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    this is really a suprise and a shock. I don't know how I feel about this from this point and I have my reasons.
  13. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Too much of a good thing too soon?
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  14. zoebell Active Member

    funny that all the press on this seems to be about jason segel not being involved. i don't think it's cause to panic at all- i think stoller and bobin were just as much (if not more) of the reason why it turned out so good in the first place

    i think jason was the driving force behind getting it made obviously, but he himself said in an interview that he just wanted to relaunch them so that they could go on and do whatever they wanted

    i just think he managed to associate himself so closely with them as they were being relaunched that people expected him to be at the helm from now on or something. i never thought that would be the case though. plus, you know he'll be involved anyway, he'll probably still give feedback and stay a producer i bet
  15. MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    As much as I love Segal, and appreciate his enthusiasm for The Muppets, it's good that he's not IN the (potential) new movie. His story in the film is finished. It had closure. There's no need to have him in the next one. Now, I'd love for him to write it, as he has a pretty good grasp on the Muppet style, it would seem. But be in it? No thanks.

    One thing I'm worried about with this sequel is the potential for it to bomb. The first one was excellent, but it also relied heavily on nostalgia. Will the public be open to a new Muppet movie? I know I will, and I know everyone here will! But can it make the 160 million+ worldwide that THE MUPPETS has?
  16. zoebell Active Member

    well, assuming this one does well on dvd, i think it could.

    i think that crowd of 20 and 30 somethings that showed up for this one and loved it will see another one. the question mark is the kids, really. that was the reason this one had a drop off in spite of such positive reaction. nostalgia doesn't work for kids who don't know the muppets already

    so i think we've got to hope that the dvd sales will work to introduce more kids to the equation, and a brand new story next time around will have it do better with that particular audience as well. because i still think the muppets can and do appeal to kids and always will, but the nostalgia and seriousness of the story in this one was squarely aimed at adults who know and love the muppets already. i think all it would take is a new and fresh adventure to bring the kids in next time
  17. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    My local papers weren't kind in their reviews of the movie, one reviewer said the movie put too much focus into "hero worship" of the Muppets, and not enough into the actual storyline.
  18. heralde Well-Known Member

    Placing greater emphasis on advertising the older Muppet films wouldn't hurt either. ;)
  19. Borples Active Member

    Not necessarily. Most of the major Muppets had an "origin story" in one of the movies. Take Rizzo--he's a good example b/c he wasn't a part of the original TMS gang. Granted, he had a tiny little role in GMC, but forget that for a second. His origin story was in TMTM. But that doesn't make any later movies featuring him sequels of TMTM. I think as long as a new movie with Walter didn't heavily reference the story from TM2011 (what are we calling that one in short form?), it wouldn't necessarily be a sequel. He's just a Muppet now, yaknow?
  20. Borples Active Member

    You know, I was watching The Muppets on the Muppets the other day, and I was marveling at how easy and funny Kermit and Fozzie were together. It was great. I agree that the chemistry between Steve's Kermit and Frank's characters seemed off in the movies and scripted materials, sometimes. But they seemed to do fine off-the-cuff. I don't know why that would have been, but it was just something I noticed.

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