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Frank Oz: "New Muppets Too Cute"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Beauregard, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    THANK YOU, someone else gets it!! :laugh:
  2. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I never said you had to ban yourself as a fan forever. All I meant was if you think The Muppets aren't at their best now then in some peoples eyes I guess they never will be. If you didn't love the movie that's fine. I think I already stated if you didn't love it, or heck even hated it that was also fine. Because it's kind of boring if we all have the same views all the time on things. But all I'm saying is is god knows the 12 years leading up to this movie has been less then good to the Muppets. Heck I dumped them for 12 years because I felt they fell flat on their face.

    I just know for me after seeing this film I finally felt like the Muppets could move on without Jim Henson.
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  3. MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    It was definitely a positive step in the right direction. I agree there have been some less than stellar attempts made in the past several years, but that's my point: I still stuck it out to see what they were going to do next because I still had faith in them and didnt' want to give up on Kermit and the gang. I just felt with the way this movie was hyped up, I expected a bit more :skeptical:
  4. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Hopefully the next movie you will enjoy. As it's suppose to be the pure Muppet fun we've all come to love. I didn't mean to step on your toes heck I wasn't even trying to change your mind. I was just making facts as to why things with this reboot had to go the way it did.

    I mean I'll be honest like I said when Jim Henson past away and MCC and MTI came out I left them. I was a snob in a way I thought well if Jim isn't around anymore why would I wanna have anything to do with The Muppets? And the stuff that was out leading up to this movie only gave me more resolve I didn't want anything to do with The Muppets. So you've been a more loyal fan then I have been. I guess I just take this movie personally because it brought me back as a fan. Probably more so then when I was a kid.

    I just felt like The Muppets can now really do good quality things without Jim. Trust me Jim will always be Kermit to me no questions about that however I think Kermit and the gang are finally doing okay. :)
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  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Or we could have them bouncing around, lobotomized like in MFS. or not even playing themselves like MTI and MCC.

    Seriously... this is the movie where they lost their edge? I don't get that at all. It's a far better path than the "Use Kermit sparingly, and don't let him emote or do anything interesting" path they were on until VMX.
  6. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member


    Or better yet have Kermit just not even care about his friends or even acknowledge Piggy's existance like in MFS. :o
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  7. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    MFS was Gonzo's movie and the new character's movie. Other than that, the old characters seemed there for Brand Recognition.

    And then Kermit wigged out in VMX, first on Piggy, then on his own Guardian Angle (twice), and like that, Kermit was BACK!
  8. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Still even if it was Gonzo's movie there was just no Muppet spirit there at all. It didn't even have anything to do that it was Gonzo's movie and Kermit wasn't the star because I love Gonzo but it was just so poorly done that it failed to put out what could've been a really great movie.
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  9. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I still think it was pretty good.
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  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's great for the new characters, that's for sure. If the ENTIRE movie was about Gonzo getting an autopsy from VanNeuter, it would be the GREATEST Muppet Movie of all time.

    Still, I wonder what Muppets IN Space was going to be like. Probably a better movie. Especially if they put Strangepork and Link in it.

    I do like MFS and all, but there are just so many gaping problems with it that lacked the Muppet Spirit. Kermit was so flat, he didn't even need to be in the film.

    That film just had directing issue all over it. And that's not even the overly fussed and worried script.
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  11. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Wait Kermit was in the film? :o
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  12. Duke Remington Active Member

    As Oscar the Grouch would say, "Ding-Dong! You're wrong!"

    Disney has been doing a great job with the Muppets--they're in a MUCH better place than they were a few years ago.
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  13. Duke Remington Active Member

    I'm sorry, but I think you're only saying that because Mr. Oz said what he said and only because he was a "Muppet pioneer". And just because he was such does not mean he's always right! :mad:
  14. Duke Remington Active Member

    Sorry, but it is true that anything else would've bombed. It's the truth and it's a reality that needs to be faced.

    Plus, they so totally allowed the Muppets to be the Muppets in this film and the characters were very much in-character!
  15. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Umm...I wouldn't entirely say that's true. Disney really didn't care about the Muppets until AFTER the movie was released and made the money that it did. It's JASON IMO that's carried the Muppets to a much better place NOT DISNEY. Disney only cares now because of the profit plain and simple.
  16. Duke Remington Active Member

    Well, I will give you the fact that Disney wasn't sure about to how to handle them properly when the first acquired the franchise in the mid-2000's. However, things did start getting better for the Muppets as early as 2008, when they started producing those very fun and downright Muppety online videos, among other things (many of which wasn't, and still isn't, possible under the Henson Company's ownership), all of which lead up to the new film and got people interested in going out to the theaters to see it.

    Now that the film was a success, at least we can all agree that the Muppets are back on top of the world again, where they should be.
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  17. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Still they weren't shining like they are now. Like someone said Disney just bought them so they could say they owned them and then just kinda sat them on a shelf. And occasionally let them out for air. I don't give Disney credit for bringing them back to the top is all I'm saying. It was all Jason Segal.
  18. MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    If Disney's doing such a great job with the Muppets, how come it's been like 4 years since Season 3 of the Muppet Show came out and we haven't gotten the last two seasons on DVD? If Disney was doing such a great job, they would've RAN with the opportunity when the new film came out to get the rest of the show out on DVD.
  19. MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I don't think any of us here including me could prove that any other approach to this film would've been a bomb. The point is, typical Disney went with the "safe" option.
  20. MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    I had a couple of Muppet slumps over the years, the worst being in my teens when I foolishly decided to toss some of my Muppet collectibles away, and also during the time of Muppets Tonight!/MFS etc. again, still following and watching the shows and movies, but not really being "into" it.

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