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Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by brkndwnbus, Nov 20, 2012.
thank you, maybe I'm just overreacting.
Excuse me if I'm out of line but both these accusers seem fame-hungry ***holes, in this to make a shed load of cash and raise their pathetic profiles, I mean look at them!! The ONLY judgement I'm making against Kevin is why he'd even give these cretins the time of day in the first place! They are the type of "the world owes me a living" low-lifes that are plastered all over our TV screens and gossip columns... and this is coming from a guy that was on Fear Factor!!
I genuinely call BS on the whole charade! Yeah, fair enough, Kevin made some errors in judgement but admitted it all from the very beginning. There is absolutely no way he should have been (assuming he was) pressured into leaving Sesame Street...no way. For the most part, his presence is behind the scenes and, if anything, Sesame Workshop could have chosen keep Kevin from the limelight until it all blows over.
It genuinely makes me angry everytime I see an article featuring these opportunist scumbags as it means they won! For arguments sake, lets just say having met Kevin on the chatlines as they claim, and Kevin did something that they deemed inappropriate, offensive or illegal - where in the heck is the logic that cash will just make that all better?!?!?!
Sorry for the rant but these guys are subhuman scum - just my opinion!
I think everyone feels like that at this point, except for the ones that really think he did it. If you look at the facts, the accusers, and the way the cases are being presented it dose not seem creditable. Something may or may not have happend, but if it did the people invovled have not handled the issue correctly.
Again, all we know is the accusers are claiming Kevin basically molested them when they were teenagers; Kevin, so far, admitted to having a consensual ADULT relationship with the first accuser. We know now that Kevin is gay, and maybe he does prefer younger men (hey, we have a term for older women who prefer younger men).
At the same time, we know that Kevin is a good guy, he's done so much to educate and entertain children through the power of the Muppets for almost three decades... the two identified accusers on the other hand, they each seem to have shady pasts, both are acting like Kevin's resignation will boost their own careers.
It seems almost clear to me who we should believe.
I'm going to quote Tales of the Bunny Pixknick...."Thouse who hurt others, only hurt themselfs"
If Hugh Hefner can continue doinking barely-legal women, I don't see why it should be different for gay men.
Why did I think Clash was happily married (to a woman) with kids? Did I make that up in my mind? Was this before that time?
You didn't make it up. He was married, and has a daughter. He and his wife are seperated (she's referred to as his ex-wife in Being Elmo).
Well, he was married to a woman for a time, so he's probably bisexual.
Regarding your other point about his accusers, you're absolutely right.
Well, there's been a number of cases where men have married women, and have had children, long before they actually realize they are gay; Kevin has flat-out admitted he's gay when this scandal broke out, so I'm assuming he was one of those men who didn't realize he was gay until later in life.
You know that whole, "There's two kinds of people in the world" principal? It almost seems like there's two kinds of gay people in the world: those who know they're gay from a very early age, and those who haven't realized it until later in life (and again, most of them actually do marry women and may even have kids at one point).
Tons of people are wanting to audition for being "the new Elmo". I hate to say this to these people, all of whom are quite talented, but that's just not how it works. A fellow Muppeteer who knows Kevin and Elmo extremely well will be chosen (and probably by Kevin himself).
According to an article in Eurweb:
Can anyone confirm or disprove this? I wouldn't know where to start.
That's the thing, no one seems to get that you can't just pick up a character and start performing them. You have to truly known and understand all facets of the character's personality. You have to connect to the character and be able to relate to them. Recasting is much more than doing an impersonation with a puppet on hand.
Which is why, in so many cases (this not being one of them, mind you), it's better to simply replace a character altogether, as opposed to trying to recast the character with a different actor or performer: that one actor is the one who really breathed life and soul into the character, is if something happens to that actor, and you try to recast the character, you're setting yourself up for disaster. That's why shows like M*A*S*H and Cheers were successful despite their cast changes, because when actors left, they replaced the characters altogether with new characters that, while they differed significantly from their predecesors, still were engaging to the audience. Somehow, nobody minded how Gordon was recast three times, but can you imagine if they tried to find somebody else to play Mr. Hooper after Will Lee's passing?
Again, it's a whole different ballgame when trying to find another performer to take on the role of a puppet, or even a cartoon character, but like Hubert and others have pointed out, you can't just select, at random, a new performer to play Elmo, the performer has to be someone who is invested in Elmo, someone who understands the characters on all levels almost as much as Kevin built up those levels. This is also a different ballgame, where it might not be wise for the new performer to try and make the character his own, this isn't like when Marty took over for Snuffy and Telly and eventually made them his own as opposed to trying to immitate Jerry's Snuffy and Brian's Telly, or even when Kevin virtually reinvented Elmo altogether after he was passed by Brian, and eventually Richard.
Whatever the outcome be, we're in for quite a wait, but nevertheless, we'll still just have to wait and see.
Another thing I also don't like with all the buzz about this is that people just assume that every Muppeteer has like 20 people in training to take over their characters. Everyone in my family has made comments to me about how they're wondering how the new performer for Elmo that Kevin had been training will do. Sure, in some select cases (Caroll Spinney) this is the case, but not for every single performer.
Well now they are trying to discredit Sesame Workshop as well. Here is a new artical from Fox News. Take it for what it is worth. A lot of the stuff has already been said, but there may be a trail with a jury.
As soon as you said Fox News, I knew this would be a whole lot of bullcrap.
Fox News has hated SST for YEARS, all this "radical left-wing agenda to brainwash our nation's children".
Yes I know that Fox news loved to hate SST, but still The story alone, and it's headline will make people stop and think. I just hope many people will not read it and take everything for truth.
Basically, Fox wants to know why Clash continued to work on SST after being accused. Forget all that "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense; they smell blood in the water.
But he didn't. Remember, when the first accuser came forward, Kevin immediately took a leave of absense from the show, and then once the second accuser came forward (and prompted the first to recant his recant), then he resigned permanently.
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