Your Thoughts: The Muppets Character Encyclopedia

[minor muppetz]

The fact that those characters didn't get character sections is sad. It's also disappointing that the closest Droop and Carter ever got to appearing in that book are small bits and snippits

Yeah, I've been wondering if Carter didn't get a page because of his resemblance to a member of Geri and the Atrics. Craig Shemin didn't discuss his absence in either the Muppet Mindset or Tough Pigs interviews.

Of course, Howard Tubman was the only "UK Spot exclusive" character to get a page (I would have liked to have seen Snooky Bloir included).

There are a few more things that were and weren't included I'm surprised by. Like including Frog Scouts but not Frogs (that could have been a two-page spread). And including The Prairie Dogs Glee Club as opposed to just Prairie Dogs. They were only a glee club in one episode (one that's not on DVD at that). I'm also similarly surprised about Lydia the Pig and Sopwith the Camel.

Man, I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I wish we could see Craig Shemin's original list of who to include.

 

[Oscarfan]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Droop? Really? Who cares? It's cool they bothered to put him in the movies, but he's not essential.

Some characters who weren't expected to be in the book were in the book. Why gripe about what you didn't get? It's not like this is the end-all, be-all Muppet character book.

 

[Drtooth]

Exactly. It's not like the Sesame Street Coffee Table Books (Unpaved or 40 Years) were entirely complete and had a lot missing and inaccurate. That happens with any compendium style books. But we're lucky. We've only had quality ones so far. Most franchises don't get that lucky.

 

[Mad Monty fan]

I suppose you have a point there, Oscarfan about how it doesn't really matter whether Droop gets a character section or not. It could be that he resembles Nigel from Muppets Tonight too much.

 

[minor muppetz]

I guess it doesn't matter that much if the book is character complete or if it leaves out the most obscure characters. But some of us fans want the book to be as complete as possible, some want their favorite characters included... I feel like every recurring character should be included (though many characters who are seemingly one-shot would show up in the background, so fans have different opinions of how "recurring" a character is). I guess people have different opinions on how "complete" it needs to be.

Most of my favorites are included. Droop and Gaffer are among my favorites not included, but I am happier that the book has Lips, Fleet Scribbler, Doglion, Seymour, and a bunch of others. My biggest disapointment with missing characters is not including many from JHH. I feel that show should be considered as important as TMS and MT.

It's interesting how Lubbock Lou isn't pictured in the section on Lubbock Lou and His Jughuggers, Craig Shemin said that the publishers are aware but they were short on time (though Lubbock Lou can be seen from behind in the section on The Muppet Theater). The main image is from a shot from The Great Muppet Caper, I don't know if that was a still or an image taken while the movie was in production, but it is odd that if they were going to use a shot from that scene, they chose a still (assuming it's a still) that had less of the jugband.

 

[Mad Monty fan]

Yeah. I found it hard to believe that Calico, Blind Pew, One-Eyed Jack, Black Dog, and Spotted Dick weren't in that book despite being in Muppets Most Wanted. Perhaps Craig couldn't add them in and had no time to.

 

[Muppet Master]

Yeah. I found it hard to believe that Calico, Blind Pew, One-Eyed Jack, Black Dog, and Spotted Dick weren't in that book despite being in Muppets Most Wanted. Perhaps Craig couldn't add them in and had no time to.

Well, look the bottom line is, I doubt he even knew those characters EXISTED! The fact that

• Afghan Hound
• Andy and Randy
• Sam and Friends (Harry the Hipster, Yorick, and Sam)
• Angel Marie
• Angus McGonagle

appeared in the book was enough of a homage to fans

 

[minor muppetz]

Yeah. I found it hard to believe that Calico, Blind Pew, One-Eyed Jack, Black Dog, and Spotted Dick weren't in that book despite being in Muppets Most Wanted. Perhaps Craig couldn't add them in and had no time to.

Craig had a draft of the script, but maybe he didn't know those characters would be in it. Maybe the script didn't indicate that those characters would be included (I don't remember any of them having names). Though it would have been cool if there'd been a "pirates" page for any pirate characters who don't have their own pages (the ones with very little to say about, though Angel Marie and Wall-Eye Pike were included and seem like characters with very little to say about).

When it comes to characters who were in Muppets Most Wanted but not in this book, I'm most surprised that Carlos and Monolo Flamingo aren't in the book. But maybe the Macarena number was added to a draft that came after the script draft he got.

Well, look the bottom line is, I doubt he even knew those characters EXISTED!

Considering he's the Henson Company historian, I doubt it, though maybe you are right. I feel he should have at least been aware of Blind Pew.

 

[Oscarfan]

Craig had a draft of the script, but maybe he didn't know those characters would be in it. Maybe the script didn't indicate that those characters would be included (I don't remember any of them having names). Though it would have been cool if there'd been a "pirates" page for any pirate characters who don't have their own pages (the ones with very little to say about, though Angel Marie and Wall-Eye Pike were included and seem like characters with very little to say about)./QUOTE]

I highly doubt the script would identify any specific characters in the Gulag unless they had speaking roles (like Miss Poogy).

 

[Mad Monty fan]

Here's who i think will be in the next book:
1). 80's Robot
2). Afghan Hound
3). African Masks
4). Alfredo and Hildegard
5). Angel Marie
6). Angus McGonagle
7). Animal
8). Annie Sue
9). Banana Nose Maldonado
10). Baskerville
11). Beaker
12). Beauregard
13). Beautiful Day Monster
14). Behemoth
15). Big Tiny Tallsaddle
16). Billy the Bear
17). Black Dog
18). Blind Pew
19). Bobby Benson and his Baby Band
20). Bobo
21). Bossmen
22). Brewster
23). Bubba the Rat
24). Bunsen
25). Calico
26). Camilla
27). Catgut
28). Chester Rat
29). Chickens
30). Clodhoppers
31). Clueless Morgan
32). Constantine
33). Contender 980116
34). The Country Trio
35). Crazy Harry
36). Dr. Julius Strangepork
37). Dr. Salamander
38). Dr. Teeth
39). Dr. Phil van Neuter
40). Droop
41). Eric the Parrot
42). Fazoobs
43). Fleet Scribbler
44). Fletcher Bird
45). Flower Eating Monster
46). Floyd
47). Flying Zucchini Brothers
48). Foo-Foo
49). Forcryingoutloud Bird
50). Fozzie Bear
51). Gaffer
52). George the Janitor
53). Geri and the Atrics
54). Gonzo
55). Gorgon Heap
56). Hilda
57). Inspector LaBrea
58). Janice
59). Kermit the Frog
60). Lenny the Lizard
61). Lew Zealand
62). Link Hothgrob
63). Lips
64). Louis Kazagger
65). Luncheon Counter Monster
66). Ma Bear
67). Mad Monty
68). Mahna Mahna
69). Marvin Suggs
70). Mary Louise (little girl)
71). Mary Louise (old woman)
72). Mean Mama
73). Miss Kitty
74). Miss Piggy
75). Mrs. Appleby
76). Mulch
77). Muppy
78). Mutations
79). Newsman
80). Nigel the Conductor
81). Nigel the Director
82). Ohboy Bird
83). Ohreally Bird
84). Old Joe
85). Old Tom
86). Penguins
87). Pigs
88). Pops
89). Punch and Judy Puppets
90). Quongo
91). Righton Bird
92). Rizzo the Rat
93). Robin the Frog
94). Ronald Duck
95). Rover Joe
96). Rowlf the Dog
97). Sam Eagle
98). Scooter
99). Seven Foot Tall Talking Carrot
100). Shakey Sanchez
101). Snowths
102). Sopwith the Camel
103). Spotted Dick
104). Statler
105). Steel Rabbit
106). Sundance
107). Svengali
108). The Swedish Chef
109). Sweetums
110). Talking Luggage
111). Thog
112). Thudge McGerk
113). Timmy Monster
114). Tom, Dick, and Harry
115). T.R.
116). Trumpet Girl
117). Uncle Deadly
118). Vendaface
119). Waldorf
120). Walter
121). Wally Whoopie
122). Wanda
123). Wayne
124). Whaddasay Bird
125). The Witch Doctor
126). Yolanda Rat
127). Yorick the Skull
128). Youknow Bird
129). Zelda Rose
130). Zippity Zap
131). Zondra
132). Zoot