beaker
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I want to jump back in here and comment about a couple of things. The first thing I want to say is this: this is not a contest between the last two movies. It is possible to like both--both are like-worthy--and it is not necessary to pan one to promote the other. My concern here is that, if the world is watching (Disney certainly is), then I don't know if it helps our cause or our muppets if we keep trying to make one of the two Disney Muppet movies (and there are ONlY two of them so far) the "bad" one so the other one seems better. Just saying.... Plenty of love to go around for both--don't you think? I DO, however, love it when fans say/write what they specifically liked or didn't that. That's food for thought, I believe, because we might inform each other's opinions.
I really liked the first movie. I'll bet you I've watched it more than 40 times. Really. There is always something new to see. My best friend really liked Muppets Most Wanted better, which restored my faith in the appeal of this movie, since I did not prefer it.
What bothered me about MMW was the real lack of family-feeling between/among the muppets characters. Even Kermit and Piggy's relationship seemed strangely devoid of passion. Don't you think Kermit wants to know EXACTLY what Constantine has been up to when he's been in the gulag? Taking his place with the cast is one thing, but taking his place with Piggy-- THAT'S another thing entirely. I see the comments along the lines of "if they had realized it wasn't Kermit then they wouldn't have had a movie plot." Yes. I agree. I think that THAT should have spurred them to rethink HOW they could have plotted a script involving a Kermit look-alike who is also a criminal mastermind.
There are good elements in both movies. There are things that could be improved. Let's hope the THIRD new Muppet movie uses everything they've learned to make an even BETTER movie next!!!
You're absolutely right. Both films should be celebrated. I mean the opening scene of Walter captivated by tv, and then he gets to the Muppet show on vhs tape...I want to cry just thinking about it. Gives me goosebumps. The whole thing of Walter going to the real Jim Henson Company Studios, but seeing the Muppet's faded glory...it was so meta because it hits close to home(the public isnt ready for the Muppets again....least not yet) My main issue with 2011 TM is mostly the odd flow with Segal and Adams, and the overly Truman show sappiness of them as well as some of the cinematography choices. I think it was a necessary film, and there's a lot in there I like(just like I also love Letters to Santa) but watching MMW I just felt like I was truly watching a classic Muppet film. And I like the darker tone. I think it's why everyone(but me) loves Empire Strikes Back and considers it the best SW film