Your Thoughts: It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas

[the_great_gonzo]

Man JHH sounds like a great show. Unfortunately, I was too young to enjoy it. I was 3 when it aired and I think I only saw one episode if any. I'm interested in seeing the show and finding out more about it because the characters sound really great but hey what are you going to do?

 

[Zack the Dog]

I don't think Jonny has a Sesame Street feel, but i DO think the three Elvis muppethave a very Sesame Street feel, along with many of the human muppets in the beging.

But i would say the Burl Ives clone was a snowman rather then a monster.

I think Kermit's voice really shines in this movie, at the end thought you here A LOT of Rizzo in kermit's laughing, but i think this specail is very henson like, not exact! but had many henson like moments, i also think kermit looked more like Jim's kermit in this movie at certain time example when kermit is watching gonzo sing, also the full body kermit standing in the snow.

i just found Sam's voice very bad, scooter was great, janice was liveable and piggy and fozzie were amazing, even though Lew's voice seemed a little werid, it still feel's like lew and his personality and tone.

i also wish there was more of the chirstmas show, like how kermit comments miss piggy and that she has to get ready for her next number, we don't get to see that next number, it would have been nice to see more of the classic muppets do stuff on stage, like a segment with Sam, and bunsen and beaker, and the chef. Rizzo could have been used a little more too.

also it would have been nice to see a few more muppets in the world with out kermit.

i think the movie needed a little more writen into it, but i would perfer watching this movie then MTI, MCC, or MFS as i find it better then all three.

there were only about four non-muppet muppets as i call them in the film rather then a bunch or no-name, no speices muppets like in MCC, or MTI. the four were Poodle pants, Howard the pig, Lester the scary blinking eye muppet(seen in the back ground) and the dead beat rock group non EM human Muppet(also seen in the back ground) oh yeah and the Elivs muppets and a few human muppets in the beging)

 

[Crazy Harry]

Originally posted by Zack the Dog
non-muppet muppets

This term confusses me. What exactly makes a Muppet 'Non-Muppet'ish?

 

[beaker]

For the record, the JHH is my favorite version of a Muppet Show...and yes that includes TMS, and MT. While TMS was great, and I was fortunate to see the last season in its original airings...
JHH was such an amazingly ahead of its time, and truly edgy show. It was made in the last great era of the Muppets, and featured a brave new focus on technology and ideas.

I mean who would have thought creature shop meets traditional Muppets would look so cool?

And the concepts, characters...in 1999 the Matrix came out, but in 1989 JHH was reflecting these 'cyberpunk' William Gibson ideas with neural jacks, computer control rooms, etc. And this was all before the internet and everything. Not to mention JHH had over the top inuendo a good 12 and a half years before VMC but more tasefully done.

And the Song of the Rainforest...wow. JHH was the last JHC production that trulyhad some inspiring tunes.

Then somehow by MT JHC went to this Sesame look. Look at the beginning of VMC...all the street people are basically anything Muppets out of Sesame. The Elvises for instance pretty much are Sesame.

So weird how JHH was too ahead of its time, then 7 years later MT was not so ahead of its time. Though I love MT...I mean it bore Pepe. Also Im confused...at Muppetfest they showed off 'virtual Muppets' in real time...though over a decade before on the Secrets Behind JHH they showed virtually the exact same technology with Waldo which looked pretty similair.
Anyways, just hope they mix up the edginess of JHH, with some new ideas and a slight hint back toward TMS on the new show.

 

[Zack the Dog]

Crazy Harry

This term confusses me. What exactly makes a Muppet 'Non-Muppet'ish?

you want a list?

it means that it's face looks like it was beated with a two by four

it mean's in most cases it's NOT an animal or monster muppet

it means the character has an ugly(but not cool
monster/creature) face, i mean "ugly"

it mean's you don't care if you ever see this charcter again and wish you never saw himin the first place

it mean's that he/she will never become a fan favorite or main charcter

it mean's that if the character was about to be thrown into the fire place...you would not save it....


Zack)Rowkf the, oh there's more....Dog

Then somehow by MT JHC went to this Sesame look. Look at the beginning of VMC...all the street people are basically anything Muppets out of Sesame.

oh yeah, they had ugly faces alright, thankgoodness for the rats and penguins...and even real human people too!

 

[Crazy Harry]

From your describtion, you could just as easily refer to them as 'just plane bad'.

 

[Zack the Dog]

no,no,no it's very important that i say how much i dislike them, it's gotta be the total opisit of my love for the "real" muppets like Kermit, Rowlf, Janice,Gobo,Oscar and yes even Crazy Harry.

And we all know hom much we can say about how much we love them, can't i say how much i dislike that little child non muppet muppet in the beging that wipes his nose while looking at the toy train in the window?


Zack)Rowlf the, aww, i'm staring to feel a little bad for them now,Dog.

 

[Chilly Down]

I agree. The "Anything Muppets" in that beginning looked pretty generic, even for Anything Muppets. I would have rather see Link or some other character walking in the background. They went out of their way to BUILD these boring characters that no one will see again!

JHH's puppets were such an artistic triumph. I guess because of its failure, that's why they went "retro" with the MT characters. But I wish they'd return to a more complex style myself.

BTW, Cory, I like your idea too. I'm not sure an arty Muppet film is what's needed right now, but it's an intriguing idea and I'd like to see it someday. As long as it's not Cirque de Lame!

 

[beaker]

Originally posted by Chilly Down

BTW, Cory, I like your idea too. I'm not sure an arty Muppet film is what's needed right now, but it's an intriguing idea and I'd like to see it someday. As long as it's not Cirque de Lame!

Thanks Tom! Btw, it would'nt really be an 'artsy' film per say, but a sweeping visionary epic like Lawrence of Arabia or English Patient meets Being John Malkovich and What Dreams May Come. Ok, maybe that is a bit arty.

Btw, just heard from JHC this morning about my movie idea!
I'll post that on here soon.

 

[Gorgon Heap]

"Why, yes, I am from one of those Muppet internet fan sites."

Ohhh! Dawn, that part just made the movie for me! I've never felt so proud! I feel like Kermit took a shot at me personally, and I love it! I wonder if this joke was the result of puppeteer reactions to us weirdos at the convention. Just think, we are now all the butt of a Muppet one-liner. (Sniff) it's enough to bring a tear to your eye.

David "Gorgon Heap" Ebersole