Thoughts on Convincing John

[minor muppetz]

Well, Henson seems to have both a very distinctive way of performing smooth/ calm characters and a distinctive way of performing wild/ crazy characters. I can't really tell any certain styles for other characters, though.

 

[CensoredAlso]

We talked about Richard Hunt's performing style on the RHLC; he would often do a double take or a sort of tilt of the head. After awhile you can pick him out.

 

[Super Scooter]

We talked about Richard Hunt's performing style on the RHLC; he would often do a double take or a sort of tilt of the head. After awhile you can pick him out.

Oh, I have noticed that, too! Richard's can be less obvious than others, but he adds his own thing all the time.

I've said this before, and Fozzie Bear recently pointed it out in another thread, but Jerry's puppets tend to mouth less sylables than any other. The Henson punch is very evident there. It works great, and it sets him apart from anyone else. It's also a lot more subtle than a lot of people.

Bill Barretta's characters move faster than anyone else's, I think. There mouths move faster, more of the words are enunciated precisely, but he has this perfected to the point where the mouths don't look like they're just flopping around, which is always the worry when doing this.

 

[minor muppetz]

I wonder if Convincing John was always meant to appear in multiple episodes, or if he was originally intended to just appear once and became so popular that he was brought back a few times. Or if maybe a writer came up with more ways to use him.

I noticed that Convincign John's first two episodes have his name in the title. I thought this was strange for his first appearance, as he isn't really too major. He just had two major scenes, and was mentioned quite a bit in the first half. I wonder if the writers meant for him to be mysterious (perhaps only appearing when he's putting on a show). Interestingly, Gobo and Wembly were both frightened when they heard that Mokey was going to ask Convincing John for help, and Red told Mokey that Convincing John was a fraggle that nobody ever comes to see, but when he performs, the Fraggles don't seem to be very afraid of him being around.

I wonder if the orignal plan was to have him appear in one episode, appearing as little as possible, and then have him return and be revealed to be indecisive.

 

[Collgoff]

Well I 2 Questines about Convincing John!
1. Why Convincing John covinc Mokey put plasic cups on her hends?
2. How can Covincing John convinc a that he's a doozer?

 

[Dominicboo1]

The Fragglettes are much more convincing I think! First they can convince Wembley to visit Convincing John, but more importantly they convince him pretty well that wembling isn't the best choice.

 

[Gonzo's Hobbit]

It's interesting because in the episode "Prechification of Convincing John," I saw John as a very "full of hot air" character. Like people said earlier, he seems to have a lot of flash and no substance.
But in "The Secret of Convincing John," he seems to have a bit of a deeper character than that. I say this for a few reasons.
The first one being that the "convincing" song he sings to Wembley has a really good point in understanding that it's important to decide and be assertive. There's more to that particular song than the other songs he sings. He also has a third verse that is important but they don't get to it because Wembley tells them to stop. I don't know of course but I always kinda imagined that verse as posisbly having something to do with the different between being decisive and inflexable.
Another reason I see John having a deeper chatacter is that when the fraggles drag Wembley back to him, instead of singing another "convincing song" he has a constructive process that breaks Wembley out of his definiteness. He takes actual action to convince Wembley of something so that Wembley can see it for himself and not just do what John tells him he should do.
I always wonder what it would be like if Wembley and John did more things together. He almost strikes me if he could be somewhat of a mentor to Wembley in some ways.

 

[Dominicboo1]

It's interesting because in the episode "Prechification of Convincing John," I saw John as a very "full of hot air" character. Like people said earlier, he seems to have a lot of flash and no substance.
But in "The Secret of Convincing John," he seems to have a bit of a deeper character than that. I say this for a few reasons.
The first one being that the "convincing" song he sings to Wembley has a really good point in understanding that it's important to decide and be assertive. There's more to that particular song than the other songs he sings. He also has a third verse that is important but they don't get to it because Wembley tells them to stop. I don't know of course but I always kinda imagined that verse as posisbly having something to do with the different between being decisive and inflexable.
Another reason I see John having a deeper chatacter is that when the fraggles drag Wembley back to him, instead of singing another "convincing song" he has a constructive process that breaks Wembley out of his definiteness. He takes actual action to convince Wembley of something so that Wembley can see it for himself and not just do what John tells him he should do.
I always wonder what it would be like if Wembley and John did more things together. He almost strikes me if he could be somewhat of a mentor to Wembley in some ways.

I don't know, because his songs are usually one-sided and not a mix of good and bad. That's just my opinion however.