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"The Muppets" Official Movie Trailer

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Well look at Sesame Street and how in the past 43 years it has had to change.
Well I understood the changes they had to make...Right up to the 1990s, then we parted company, lol.

I don't think the real problem is freshness or modernish I think the real problem is makeing good "family" programing. By that I mean something the wohle famly would watch. Kids, Teens, and Adults. That is what Jim Henson worked so hard on trying to make the origanl Muppet Show, and I think it worked and could be done again.
That's one thing we've lost in our TV experience, there's not a lot of things the whole family could watch together. Kids aren't exposed to older entertainment the way they used to be. Technology is trying to so hard to give people exactly what they want. Which sounds great, but it also means depriving them of things they wouldn't have found on their own, that they might have enjoyed.
 

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thats why i have to give cridit to NBC. Even though I feel they treated Coan wrong, they really do have some shows that the whole family can really get into. like America's Got Talent, and Minute to win it, and they also spark people to get off the couch and do something as well.
To me and others Jim Lewis is the real voice of the Muppets, and I think he could really write great for them on a show, but he would need some well balenced writers to help him get things going. The Muppets don't need late show writers, and we don't need disney cartoon or tweeny writers. We need people who know about vaudvile the Marx Brothers and classic comody, and music, but also have a touch of some of the more modren.
If you watch the Muppet Show even on ones where you don't know the gust star, there are some skits that are just the Muppets that are not dated and familys today totaly would enjoy, like Java, or Manaana or however you spell it.
 

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If you watch the Muppet Show even on ones where you don't know the gust star, there are some skits that are just the Muppets that are not dated and familys today totaly would enjoy, like Java, or Manaana or however you spell it.
That's very true, often the only things that seem dated on The Muppet Show are the guest stars, lol (though not all of them of course). The Muppets' humor is not specific to a time period. It's about a leader trying to put on a show with a bunch of crazies, simple. Lol.
 

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I think MT! showed us a show like TMS won't survive in TV today.
I thing MT showed us MT wouldn't survive in TV today either.

Let's just leave it as syndication was inordinately kind to The Muppet Show. The networks didn't want it in the 70's either, but it thrived so well in syndication that Jim and company ended the show, rather than network heads. Cable would be the only place for a Muppet show today, and Disney and ABC family are set in their tweenage and late teenage girl focus group ways.

I dunno about you, but I don't think the old format would work outside the comic book today. Other than the fact it would be a retread, no one knows what a vaudeville is anymore. I say, go back to the Muppet Central segments of JHH. That was far better than MT was.

But sadly, in today's tv climate...where sitcoms dont even have a laugh track and seem more like sardonic documentaries; and where Jersey/Kardashians is all the rage...can a classic theater vaudeville setting work? Clearly the fact we have yet to see the American Idol or mockumetary test pilots indicates those didnt work either. You know, maybe it could work...I just think some fresher/modern elements would need to be included. My view is quite flexible and open on this, as I just want to see some sort of new tv broadcast show!
I kind of like sitcoms without laugh tracks because, well... the joke laugh, joke, laugh format kills character development and plot development. I remember Andy Griffen saying that about why his old sitcom was filmed NOT in front of an audience (the laugh track was added in). Though, with How I met Your Mother, I keep forgetting there IS a laugh track (the show DOESN'T need it, thought)... Chuck Lorre seems to be the only one that gets what laugh track sitcoms are all about. Big Bang is always enjoyable. But the Office is special. I can't even in good conscious call it a sitcom. There's the humor aspect, sure... but every so often, you'll be hit with raw human emotion, something almost cinematic.

Reality television is just the sweatshop of entertainment. It's toxic, it's disgusting, it's what all the morality in television people SHOULD be on instead of Family Guy. Why people still watch is beyond me. We got internet videos where people get beaten up if they want low down disgusting entertainment.

That said, I still think the problem isn't the movie (it looks TOO freaking amazing to be anywhere near bad), not even the tone of the trailer... just... there's confusing stuff in there, and that stuff should be slowly introduced when they do trailers that reveal the movie's plot. I remember there was once a movie that was supposedly brilliant that couldn't get a theatrical release because they couldn't make a good, marketable trailer for it. I think it was Mike Judge's Idiocracy or something like that. There was NO way to make a good trailer or convey the movie casually, and they released it directly to DVD after they got enough complaints. So... well, it could be worse... much worse.
 

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Well i knd of wish that there would not be laugh tracks but a live studio audiance, like the old days. I mean with a Muppet show I don't think it would really work, but it might.
 

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I think the general point is that the Muppet Show needs a different direction for a show than MT or TMS to become an actual TV show.

Again, I totally suggest something like JHH, only with a cyberworld instead of a television control panel.
 

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I think the general point is that the Muppet Show needs a different direction for a show than MT or TMS to become an actual TV show.

Again, I totally suggest something like JHH, only with a cyberworld instead of a television control panel.
oh frog no! that would not work on so many levels.
 

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I was watching the trailers again last night while working on a little project, and at one point my computer froze up and the image was compressed so the puppets looked too skinny...

I had never consciously noticed it before, but I suddenly saw a resemblance, especially around the jaw, between Statler and "Madame", for those of you old enough to remember her!



Shrug. Maybe she's one of his numerous ex-wives, if we take certain song lyrics at face value.

Alex
 

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I hope this movie is 2 hours long... the first part would be getting everyone back together and preparing the theater, the second part would be the telethon and dealing with Cooper's character.
 
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