"The Muppets" Official Movie Trailer

[12Medbe]

Yes Kermit went through a tough time from 1990 to i want to say 2001, 02. Steve was doing an awesome job but he felt reserved about doing Kermit.(We all would) Kermit really came back in AVMMCM he was up he was down, he was in love with Piggy and he got the gang through a tight spot. Every since then Kermit has becoming a better and bigger star again. That is why I think he and Steve are ready to host.

Well said! I agree.

 

[CensoredAlso]

not to single you out but you said it last so here we go, i feel this is a mentality we need to break, other wise we will always be disappointed no matter what, its true we can never go back to how things where but thats how life works we have to look forward to the future

I just think the problem of late has been that too much attention has been focused on looking to the future, when the newer projects were sub par. And meanwhile the classic projects that have proven themselves haven't been given the exposure they needed. Then we wonder why kids don't know about the Muppets. It's not because they don't like Old School stuff. It's because they're not given much of an opportunity to see it in the first place.

If this movie is a success, that's great! But reviving a franchise doesn't only mean looking towards the future. It also means respecting the past.

 

[dwayne1115]

I think your right and I think that yes it is a new movie but really it points to the past, and is trying to bring back what the Muppets where back.

 

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I think your right and I think that yes it is a new movie but really it points to the past, and is trying to bring back what the Muppets where back.

Oh yeah fer sure, Segal definitely made a positive step in the right direction here. Hopefully the final product will live up to it all.

 

[beaker]

I think you are right. A lot of people expected ( or wanted) the old Muppet show again.
But Kermit was not quite old Kermit again at that stage.

Noone I've seen on this thread...but it seems *some* fans are stuck in the late 70's/early 80's. They hate Pepe, they think the Muppets are dead and simply talk about the "good old days". Sure, the 90's/early to mid 2000's were a bit...off. But there's so good new material and the muppets.com/youtube stuff prove this.

I definitely believe trying to redo the classic vaudevillian theater would be a mistake, as well as that format. It's old, it won't work and it is being wrapped up nice and saluted with the Muppet film. Time for something new. Now obviously, the French Muppet Show(which I refuse to acknowledge as official) got it all wrong. The tone, colors, etc.

But Im sure there CAN be a format that'd work. Imagine a live studio format from Time Square, with Rizzo and Pepe interviewing people on the street or doing in studio like late 90's MTV with Carson Daly. Or imagine a high rise like the time square/rockefeller media buildings housing a 30 rock type Muppet Show. Spoofs of The Office, Big Bang Theory, Dexter, Inception, etc. WITH on the street interviews. I think that could work in today's climate. I can already picture it. People need to not just think outside the box...but outside the box factory.

 

[beaker]

I think your right and I think that yes it is a new movie but really it points to the past, and is trying to bring back what the Muppets where back.

Well so far, the film looks way too silly/slick and goofy to be too much of a throwback to the more naturalistic, organic and real world setting of the first and third Muppet films. Least that's the tone from the trailers so far.

 

[CensoredAlso]

Noone I've seen on this thread...but it seems *some* fans are stuck in the late 70's/early 80's.

But what's wrong with that exactly? That's like saying fans of Casablanca are stuck in the '40s.

I definitely believe trying to redo the classic vaudevillian theater would be a mistake, as well as that format. It's old, it won't work and it is being wrapped up nice and saluted with the Muppet film. Time for something new.

Have to respectfully disagree. Most of vaudevillian humor is timeless and can still be seen in pop culture today. New does not automatically equal better, especially if there's no foundation. That's part of why the '90s/2000 projects have been "off."

 

[beaker]

But what's wrong with that exactly? That's like saying fans of Casablanca are stuck in the '40s.

Have to respectfully disagree. Most of vaudevillian humor is timeless and can still be seen in pop culture today. New does not automatically equal better, especially if there's no foundation. That's part of why the '90s/2000 projects have been "off."

Ha, let me rephrase that. As I totally agree with what you're saying. For one, nothing wrong with being in love with a certain time period. It's forever 1988 in my mind!
And the new Woody Allen film Midnight in Paris is all about being in love with Europe in the 1920's. I just mean, I wish more fans and casual fans/non fans could see the Muppets have always been a constant. They arent just this 1979 era show...theyve been around since the mid 1950's, 60's, 70's, to present and hopefully for as long as mankind exists. Now, if Muppets were taken into a non family friendly crank yankers/greg the bunny territory...yeah i'd be writing them off too(thats what Henson Alternative is for)

I just mean that if you look at the online Muppet content, it's really solid and fun writing.

They definitely seemed lost int he 90's through the mid 2000's. In fact, in 2002 Fox was in talks to bring back the classic theater for a new Muppet show. We all were excited at the thought, but it didnt pan out. I personally saw in person the famed live Muppet show in a theater in 2001, and it was awe striking.

But sadly, in today's tv climate...where sitcoms dont even have a laugh track and seem more like sardonic documentaries; and where Jersey/Kardashians is all the rage...can a classic theater vaudeville setting work? Clearly the fact we have yet to see the American Idol or mockumetary test pilots indicates those didnt work either. You know, maybe it could work...I just think some fresher/modern elements would need to be included. My view is quite flexible and open on this, as I just want to see some sort of new tv broadcast show!

 

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You know, maybe it could work...I just think some fresher/modern elements would need to be included. My view is quite flexible and open on this, as I just want to see some sort of new tv broadcast show!

I just think every entertainment group in history has used the "let's make it fresh and modern" approach. And there's wrong with that in itself. It's just that often they concentrate so much on making it new, they ignore any attempt at making it quality.

Vaudeville had technically been dead for decades when The Muppet Show was on the air. If they had tried a fresh modern approach back then, The Muppet Show might have ended up an embarrassingly dated '70s variety show, ::shivers:: lol.

 

[dwayne1115]

Well look at Sesame Street and how in the past 43 years it has had to change. Not only in the way it teachs kids, but in the way the whole show is ran. I'm not saying that the Muppets need drasict changes if they did a new Muppet Show but they do need some pop.
People are still into musical and on stage preforances or shows like America's got talent would not be as popular as they are.
I don't think the real problem is freshness or modernish I think the real problem is makeing good "family" programing. By that I mean something the wohle famly would watch. Kids, Teens, and Adults. That is what Jim Henson worked so hard on trying to make the origanl Muppet Show, and I think it worked and could be done again.