The Bible and Love and Christians

[Drtooth]

Finally, bingo man...America has NOT benefited one single oil drop. America doesnt do wars for itself...it does it for OTHER people(foreign states, mega banks, corporations, etc)
Fact: China got most the oil in Iraq, Sudan and most the mineral mine contracts in Afghanistan...all without having to expend a single Chinese soldier.

Seriously. Why do we even bother? The Libyan "Freedom fighters" are gonna try to slam more planes into us and take hostages or something. And we're not even getting a friggin drop of their extremely meager oil output. We always wind up having to fight the "allies" we make fighting other "allies" we've made. And even if they're dangerous villains we sell weapons to them to help fight a drug war... on the side of the drug dealers. These countries don't like us, they'll never like us, they'll keep passive aggressively pretending the Holocaust didn't happen because the friggin babies don't want to peacefully share a postage stamp sized plot of land with other babies that want to blow each other up. The whole place is a lost cause, and we're only in there because we make bargains with terrorists for magic make car go juice, and they STILL jack the price up artificially to screw us.

The worst part is, at least as far as the oil goes, that no one can do a bloody thing about it. They are indeed the biggest, evilest, nastiest, cartoon supervillainest of all the corporations. I mean, yeah, big tobacco is bad, but they don't make deals with people who want to slam planes into us. The politicians that want to wean us off the stuff are pathetically powerless and the ones on the take are more powerful than anyone can ever imagine. I'm totally convinced that's one of the reasons the Tea Do-Dos were bamboozled into letting more neo-cons in Washington... 1) to kill the limp, watered down, health care bill 2) to make sure that big corporations that are doing well enough on their own get more corporate welfare, and 3) to kill the energy bill because it isn't some borderline sexual favor for the oil industry. How come it's only net neutrality that's "stifling innovation and killing jobs" when it's trashing an energy policy made to make both sides happy?

And that's not all... you'd think that all these little companies that have to jack up their prices and wind up having to sell things for less, slash their work force, and taking a complete bath would band together, rise up, and make their own lobby to help dethrone big oil. They caused the phoney shortages in the past several years, I'm absolutely convinced they pay "experts" to make up fairy tales about why oil prices are going up (Trauma? In the Middle East? Really? That NEVER happens!) and then get all agree to purposely reduce their output and hide any evidence of wrongdoing. I don't care how far right anyone is, no one should support this monster. I applaud the rest of the world, the president included for loosening up some of the reserves to bring the prices down... and to stick it to them.

 

[beaker]

Seriously. Why do we even bother? The Libyan "Freedom fighters" are gonna try to slam more planes into us and take hostages or something. And we're not even getting a friggin drop of their extremely meager oil output. We always wind up having to fight the "allies" we make fighting other "allies" we've made. And even if they're dangerous villains we sell weapons to them to help fight a drug war... on the side of the drug dealers. These countries don't like us, they'll never like us, they'll keep passive aggressively pretending the Holocaust didn't happen because the friggin babies don't want to peacefully share a postage stamp sized plot of land with other babies that want to blow each other up. The whole place is a lost cause, and we're only in there because we make bargains with terrorists for magic make car go juice, and they STILL jack the price up artificially to screw us.

The worst part is, at least as far as the oil goes, that no one can do a bloody thing about it. They are indeed the biggest, evilest, nastiest, cartoon supervillainest of all the corporations. I mean, yeah, big tobacco is bad, but they don't make deals with people who want to slam planes into us. The politicians that want to wean us off the stuff are pathetically powerless and the ones on the take are more powerful than anyone can ever imagine. I'm totally convinced that's one of the reasons the Tea Do-Dos were bamboozled into letting more neo-cons in Washington... 1) to kill the limp, watered down, health care bill 2) to make sure that big corporations that are doing well enough on their own get more corporate welfare, and 3) to kill the energy bill because it isn't some borderline sexual favor for the oil industry. How come it's only net neutrality that's "stifling innovation and killing jobs" when it's trashing an energy policy made to make both sides happy?

And that's not all... you'd think that all these little companies that have to jack up their prices and wind up having to sell things for less, slash their work force, and taking a complete bath would band together, rise up, and make their own lobby to help dethrone big oil. They caused the phoney shortages in the past several years, I'm absolutely convinced they pay "experts" to make up fairy tales about why oil prices are going up (Trauma? In the Middle East? Really? That NEVER happens!) and then get all agree to purposely reduce their output and hide any evidence of wrongdoing. I don't care how far right anyone is, no one should support this monster. I applaud the rest of the world, the president included for loosening up some of the reserves to bring the prices down... and to stick it to them.

See, now you're getting it...but there are several rungs of evil above big oil. And thats the banks. It came out all over the press that Wells Fargo's Wachovia bank knowingly was complicit in laundering an astonishing 376.8 billion dollars in cash for the world drug cartel(including the ultra violent Zetas cartel who make al Qaeda look like school boy pranksters...Mexico is of course the biggest war going on right now, and the media/government ignore it) Remember 2008, how we "had to" bail out these overtly corrupt banks because they're "too big too fail"...that even though they bilked the public and investors out of hundreds of billions, they deserved to be saved. (And then Obama appointed some of these top former AIG and Goldman Sachs into his white house...some "change", ha) The Libya situation all comes down to both banks and oil, as well as spreading Western hegemonic strategem.

How is it, that BP was able to get the mastermind of the Lockerbie crash that killed over 260 Americans in 1988 freed so BP and the UK could have fat contracts with Libya....AND created the single biggest water disaster in man kind...but now is reporting DOUBLING the profits what they had before the gulf spill? Its crazy.
Now a lot of these mega corporations like haliburton and blackwater have moved to Dubai-UAE, that future manmade technopolis built on modern slavery. This is how the new world order globalists work

And dont think for a second only Wahhabist jihadi Muslims love to slam planes into buildings...I can imagine 9/11 was a very wide grinning early Christmas gift for Cheney, Rumsfeld and big defense/oil...the golden goose that kept on giving.(I know, taboo to say, so I wont go there) I'll just say terrorism/security is big business, and the jihadis are unknowing proxy pawns in it all. (Lets say your friend robs a bank, even if you werent involved, if you profit from the loot and help your friend escape...youre still complicit)Also, why is it virtually every stinkin single post 9/11 terror plot "busted" in America turns out to be led by FBI informants as part of sting entrapments? Why are so many sleeper cells and operatives involved in international terrorism also acting as moles or double agents for Western intelligence? Again, I like to ask the tough taboo questions.

For years Ive been saying "we need to stop spending trillions of dollars and countless lives to nationbuild overseas, when America needs help rebuilding"...and wow, so many years later Obama and the GOP are saying this last night(But see its duplicitous as Obama is launching more wars as we speak)

It's no longer even about race...white, black, hispanic(ok maybe not Indian people, as it seems only rich ones come here), etc people are all suffering. Working class, working poor...jobs drying up, the economy imploding...yet otherwise good well meaning people are being suckered into following Republican corporate interest led politicians under this "Tea Party" co-option of righteous indignation.
This is why I like people like Cynthia Mckinney, Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, the late Paul Wellstone, etc as these are true progressives...not the neocon wallstreet stooges in "Democrat" clothing.

 

[Drtooth]

Actually, I HATE Nader for splitting the vote helping Bush come into power and I HATE Kucinich for starting the "Obama is a socialist" internet meme (yep... in a fit of jealousy, he was the one that started it. Thanks a bushel). Why can't we have STRONG people on our side? I'd totally vote third party if they gave us someone electable.

What REALLY ticks me off the most is investors and stock traitors... err... traders. I mean, the smart ones that manipulate the system are bad enough but the truly stupid people that think that Wall Street is Las Vegas... I wanna punch one of them in the face. They reward companies for sending our jobs to countries that don't like us and are ungrateful for getting them (cough cough CHINA cough), they reward companies for buying up other companies to make a monopoly while laying off most of the workforce, and they obsess over short term gains only to soil their pants everytime something goes down a point because consumer confidence goes down.

I have no doubt in my mind that no matter who was in charge, the banks would have got their bailout. I still say that if McCain won, the right that was oh so against it would have bailed them out in a red hot minute. They only took a stance against it because: SCENARIO 1: The bail out didn't pass and the banks failed Obama would take all the blame for the world exploding financially or SCENARIO 2 (what actually happened): It was a huge waste of money and the big banking industry sat on it and padded their profits to give to their inbred upperclass twit CEOs. And then I SWEAR they took some of that money and paid people to run a smear campaign AGAINST the very same people who bailed them out so they would continue to be dangerously under-regulated.

It's hard to see where Wuss-Obama starts and Moderate Republican Obama ends... but I'll take him over half the far right nut jobs pretending to be pacifists and isolationists, effectively flipflopping their Bush war rubber stamps because the very same people who were told to LOVE fighting in Iraq (the porkiest piece of pork ever) decided they didn't like it because they're afraid they're going to pay taxes. Actual liberal politics is dead, the country keeps moving further and further right, and CEO's get to eat small puppies and children for their gluttonous meals while we all die in the streets.

 

[beaker]

You hate Nader? He didn't split any vote. He's a REAL progressive. The elites STOLE the election. Surely you realize this? The whole thing was voter scam fraud, before they moved onto electronic vote rigging in 2004. Kuccinich is one of the only few anti imperialists/anti war Democrats on the house. I salute him for standing up to tyranny in government regardless if its a dem or repub. Obama is just Bush with a tan. Regarding market manipulation, creation of complex derivitive schemes, etc, I agree. You should see the documentary "Inside Job" about what lead to the 2008 collapse.

But yeah, now the GOP is flip flopping...I wouldnt be surprised as RIGHT when populist anger on both sides of the aisle reaches a fever pitch, the economy looks like its gonna tank and people demand answers...we'll conveniently get a new terror attack to shut everyone up and get them to once again be mindless drones supporting war and giving up rights(and I doubt it will truly eminate from some Muslim jihadi)

 

[Drtooth]

I wonder how much of anything is avoidable... I mean, I really don't think anyone who ever would get elected could ever completely keep us out of something. Ulterior motives or not. I find saying Obama is just like Bush a bit harsh, at least in the fact he didn't bully, scare, and manipulate the system to get in. I don't see any talking heads saying "If you don't love going to war with Libya, you're a terrorist sympathizer." There's no "You're either with us or against us" sentiment that kept us under their thumbs. I mean, even Clinton dropped bombs on Iraq.

I'd love to say a third party would do things differently, but who are we kidding? They'd be there too no matter what. If I blame anyone for Libya, I do blame the US for being besties with the guy, but Nato's the one that kept whining for us to go in. Heck, the guy who WOULD have been president wanted us to go deeper, further, and sooner in. Plus, frankly, that guy REALLY wanted to go into Iran. I at least give the President that much credit for not doing that....yet. I don't think he will (Romney? Oh YEAH! The right REALLY wants us to get into that no matter how isolationist their cheap rubber suits look). Still, seems like all the good he wants to do got killed by a small minority in congress to stall time until a small majority killed everything else.

So basically, I still think we got the lesser of two evils, because the GREATER of two evils is really really unstable. I just think the office of President and politics in general does this to people no matter who they are. Every president since Eisenhower got us into some dumb crap overseas. I am really staring to think that's unavoidable.

 

[CensoredAlso]

Well this is more than a little disturbing. Talk about cliques and bullying. Don't think I'll be flying Delta Air...ever again!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/us-jews-not-able-to-fly-o_n_883568.html?ncid=webmail1

Jews and Israelis, or passengers carrying any non-Islamic article of faith, will not be able to fly code-share flights from the U.S. to Saudi Arabia under Delta Air Line's new partnership with Saudi Arabian Airlines that is set to begin in 2012.

And history repeats itself. And we just sit back and let it happen.

Compromises aren't going to help you this time, Obama...

Not to leave the other political party out...

Delta is doing this for the money, period. Capitalism at its best, something the Republicans know very well...

There is no lesser of two evils.

 

[Drtooth]

I'm sorry... but that's just not true. The lesser of two evils is slightly better. Quantum singularity better at least.

If nothing else, Obama isn't blaming the wildfires in Arizona on Mexicans like the other guy who was going to be our president. And at least he's not busting unions the way the tea party sucker candidates have been.

If nothing else, there's definitely a greater of two evils.

 

[CensoredAlso]

I'm sorry... but that's just not true.

What do you call a party that's basically been in bed with Saudi Arabia for years? And what do you call a party that's willing to ignore violations of human rights in the name of "tolerance?"

I call them the Republicans and the Democrats. Or by their nicknames, evil and evil.

I'm boycotting Delta Airlines. I wonder if our leaders will. I wouldn't hold my breath!

 

[frogboy4]

Ralph Nadir attacked Sesame Street. Anyone who ignorantly attacks such a wonderful program to advance his social agenda is permanently persona non grata.

I understand his disdain for the commercialization of public television, but you don't go about making change by attacking one of television's greatest shows. I'm sure if it were up to him, Sesame would lose its budget in favor of interns performing cheap sock puppets so that it would cost less to produce. That's the mindset of these cheapskate "consumer advisors"who refuse to see the bigger picture and that quality costs money.

There is no longer anything I like about Ralph Nadir. He was a lot more effective until drinking his own Kool-Aid. He never adequately apologized for going after Sesame instead of the Republicans for cutting funding for public television. What really irks me is that he appeared on the program in the 80's. It's like inviting a guy to your party and letting him trash you to all the guests. Wacky, tacky man.

 

[Drtooth]

Ralph Nadir attacked Sesame Street. Anyone who ignorantly attacks such a wonderful program to advance his social agenda is permanently persona non grata.

I understand his disdain for the commercialization of public television, but you don't go about making change by attacking one of television's greatest shows. I'm sure if it were up to him, Sesame would lose its budget in favor of interns performing cheap sock puppets so that it would cost less to produce. That's the mindset of these cheapskate "consumer advisors"who refuse to see the bigger picture and that quality costs money.

Liked.

Anyone on any side that attacks a Muppet product, as a Muppet fan, deserves all the disdain we can muster. Heck, I hated Tracey Morgan long before he put his foot in his mouth for that TERRIBLE sitcom where the wisecracking little kid said the word "Muppet" with so much disgust, it was almost a slur. You know what I'm talking about. I forgave him when he became a Muppet on 30 Rock, but still.... I mean, the woman from Still Standing wore Kermit and Oscar shirts with PRIDE!

Years ago, I said this. The true outrage wasn't that McD's was a sponsor of Sesame Street (no one cried when a major Pharmaceutical or Spaghetti-O's used that space to advertise their stuff), it was that Sesame Street NEEDED McD's to sponsor it. The Republicans have been trying to squash PBS for years, and kid's programming NEEDS that sponsorship to keep that afloat. I mean, lesser of two evils here, what about this?

I dunno about you, but I didn't see Dole saying "Bob Dole wants Mr. Rogers and Reading Rainbow to keep getting funding." All I remember was Gingrinch's yellow eyes looking at how much more money his constituents could have.

But back to Nader, yeah.. that's the kind of thinking the super far left health nut/ actual socialists want us to think. When it comes to Sesame Street, the right attacked it on major television stations and in books, the only people on the left that said anything were people on the far far left in blogs and pamphlets.

Yeah, I think it's time to come to accept the fact that no matter who gets put in charge, they all get sucked into the imperialism and Middle East hugging agenda of the US. No matter how they promise to avoid it. By that token:

If we're gonna have to go in and blow money to get some country to like us, I'm going with the party that funds the war by raising taxes for the war profiteers.

If we're gonna be slaves to big business and pseudo-Capitalism, I'm going with the party that raises minimum wage so I can actually BUY the garbage they're selling us.

If we're going to have sexual deviants run around pantsless, I'm going with the party that DOESN'T claim "Family Values" to restrict rights to monogamous couples, especially ones that want to raise a family.

And no matter what, if we're going to have someone who keeps getting us in trouble with other countries, I'm going for anyone who doesn't make me look like a moonbat when I don't want them to.

See? Quantum singularity difference at least.