Snoop Doggy Dog (The Degenerate)

[Jivepuppet]

.... and just think, all this started over a grown man named Snoop!

 

[AruggeRadio]

Here is what bothers me about this more then anything. It is very common for TV movies to have portions of the final film edited out of it, Woody Allen made a TV Movie for ABC about 7 years ago that over 45mn were omitted form the final product. They have to fit a film into the allotted time given by the network. But as far as Snoop Dog being omitted because of a letter sent by a watchdog group is ludicrous.

The Muppets have always been on the edge of what we think is family friendly, True Sesame Street is totally for kids, but the Muppets as a whole were always more along the lines of the Original Loonies Toon’s then Disney. When the Muppets were on SNL (which those skits are playing on E! SNL re-runs) there segments dealt with sex, drugs, and other adult situations. In 1978 when radio stations were banning Alice Cooper for his rebel anthem “Schools out forever” Henson decided to have Alice on the Muppet Show to perform that controversial song with his Muppets. The Muppets have always stuck there tong out to Watchdog groups that believe that we need to live in the stone age to save our children.

I agree with you that Snoop Dog has had a questionable record, and hasn’t always presented a family friendly product in his records. But he has successfully used his life stories to express himself and show how he got himself out of his life of poverty. Snoop Dog is a self made man and now has gone on record as saying he is a devoted Family man. So I don’t see how your argument Patty of him corrupting our children by being on Muppet Movie has any relevance what so ever. The Muppets have always been the rebel of the “Family” entertainment genera so Snoop Dog fits in quite well with the Muppets I believe.

To say that the Henson Company deciding to omit this scene with Snoop Dog as a victory for Watchdog Groups everywhere is truly a fallacy. Remember if it wasn’t for Watch Dog Groups “Married with Children” would have just faded away into TV history as a failed low rated sitcom. But because watchdog groups complained about the show to the media it backfired. It gained the show so much press that it caught the American public’s curiosity so they tuned in and made “Married with Children” part of our cultural history.

I don’t believe the Henson’s Company’s decision to use Snoop Dog was a bad one at all. In fact if there are guest stars on this New Fox show I hope they do have some people like Snoop Dog, Dr. Dre, Eve, Missy Elliot or Emenem on as guests. Whether you like it or not these people are a part of our culture and are important artists. If you don’t agree with what they do or say in there records you have the option of just not purchasing there albums. If you don’t agree with the Henson Company use of such artists then you also have the option of not tuning in to watch the show.

CW

 

[Jivepuppet]

Dear AruggeRadio,
You have said it all! Thank you. Keep it up.
With much respect,
Jivepuppet

 

[frogboy4]

And what about David Bowie in Labyrinth? I love that film and enjoy Bowie, but he has reportedly had a sordid past. And listen to many of his classic lyrics...

 

[Cantus' Ghost]

Look, I never said we shouldn't accept anyone who is pro-war or pro-capital punishment. I've stated my opinion that Laura Bush and her loverboy are no better than Snoop Dogg. At least when Snoop Dogg is "socially unacceptable" he is as part of his schtick; George W. killed declared a war 4000 Afghans (mostly unarmed.) That is not an opinion, that is a simple fact! (source at bottom of msg) Laura Bush encouraged this in the media and through GOP radio addresses. It is simply unacceptable- no less unacceptable than 9/11.

I just think its absurd that everything in the entertainment industry has to be "family friendly." What makes the Muppets great is when they're outrageous, irreverant, anarchic, etc. That's what makes any form of entertainment good. Not the willingness to adapt to some lame, banal, "baked-potato", conservative Bible belt code of ethics. The Henson Co. has acted responsibly with great consistency and do not deserve to be bullied. If you're offended by Snoop Dogg's appearance in this Muppet movie or any movie, don't watch!

Lemme put this way: why is Laura Bush a good rolemodel? Because she promotes literacy? Well, doesn't EVERYONE promote literacy?

I know Snoop Dogg & Laura Bush are from two VERY different worlds. Snoop Dogg grew up in S. Central LA, one of the most violent and poverty-stricken areas in the U.S.; Laura Bush comes from wealth. But the indifference of Laura Bush to the deaths of 4000 Afghans, the highest ever rates of capital punishment in America, the promotion of MORE WAR, etc. seems to be more irresponsible than Snoop Dogg's "pottymouth." As for the Hensons, I say it is time for the Muppets to forge an "appalling" alliance with Ms. Courtney Love! Oh baby!


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[towels]

Originally posted by grail
wow...the two best comments i've yet read on the subject...jivepuppet, you officially need to talk more, and cantus' ghost, welcome to the group! excellent points from you both!

See grail? Aren't you glad we kept going?

Originally posted by Patty E.
A child need NOT be assaulted with violent images, vulgarity, trashy talk and demeaning references towards women.

You refer to his appearance as a "cameo." I call it an infomerical.
Originally posted by Captain Crouton
But it's good parents who stand up when anti-family programming is marketed as family entertainment.
As a consumer of Muppet Products, I'd like them to stay classy and not trashy.

That's an awful lot of judgement of something you have never seen.
Here's two things to keep in mind:
1) I have a hard time seeing this as an "infomercial." Did you consider Richard Pryor's appearance in the Muppet Movie as a promotional tool for Columbian Drug Lords? I have enough faith in what's left of JHC to have anyone doing a cameo to just do a cameo. That's all they are, a person in a movie. If it leads your children into watching his videos later on MTV and then being exposed to those "references", that's your fault for letting them watch MTV, not Henson's fault for including him. He doesn't get some happy fuzzy Kermit pin to wear as a shining badge of honor for the rest of his life as a result of this one scene in a TV movie.
2) He said he was doing this for his kids. Let's just say he is trying to clean up his image. Thanks to the grandstanding and moralizing, now the nice thing he did for his kids is gone. What kind of message does that send? Thanks for trying to climb out of the gutter, but we don't want you here?

 

[Drtooth]

Thanks Pat E. for all you're hard whining!!! Now the only scene with the Electric Mayheim is cut because of you and your censorship cronies!!!

I SEVERLY doubt that he would use hypnotic lyrics to kids telling them to cap mommy and steal her money for drugs!!! What kind of half butted crap is that??? COme on!!!

Why don't you do something helpful and try to get Jerry Springer's @#$% butt off the air!?!?!?

Thanks for Killing the Muppet Christmas movie and making it the 20 minutes of muppets interrupted by stupid commercials we'vew seen a million times special!!!!

With forthy aloofness, Drtooth!!!

 

[tomahawk]

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i was perplexed when i did some research in another thread called what other music do you like besides muppet music. i took a sample from different lists(from people who agreed and disagreed with patty e. on the snoop thing)and started wondering whats the difference between snoop having a short cameo on the muppet christmas special and endorsing these artist by buying thier c.d.s, going to thier concerts etc. all of them have either involved in a degrading act, been accused of drug or alclhol consumption and yes a few have been in trouble for violent acts(yes, murder)andother unsavory acts.

 

[tomahawk]

patty e. i was wondering when you wer going to get around to answering my question on what your definition on degrading is. and also while i am thinking about it, what freakish watchdog, rightwing, self-righteous group do you belong to. i mean were you sent here on orders from the higher ups to try and convince fans this was the right thing to do? are you really a muppet fan or just someone, in the name of thier group, that likes to tear others down.can anyone smell witchhunt? i sure can.gather up your torches, because we are gonna catch us a snoop dog.

 

[Drtooth]

You know, for a Right wing parental watchdog group, you people don't watchy anything, do you? There are worse things on prime time than SNoop dog being on the Muppets. I saw a J-lo perfume comercial that boardered on pornography. Look at the rest of the programs on NBC (the network carrying the special). ALl lame sex jokes. Look at Will and Grace! I'm surprised a gay rights antidefamation group didn't picket it! NOT TO MENTION DAYTIME TALK SHOWS!

Besides that the muppets are NOT kids stuff!! You're one of those narrow minded hicks that confuses The Muppet Show with Sesame Street!!!!! Kids today either don't know who the Muppets are, or would rather watch pornography anyway!!! Maybe if there wasn't all this over zealous censorship mascarading as "Parenting" this group of Latchkey kids would not overlook over censored kids shows for Jerry Springer!!!!!

This is where the country has gone wrong!!!!!!!