Snoop Dogg Excited About Appearing In 'Muppets' Christmas Special

[Cantus Rock]

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
First, in response to your first post about hip-hop stars, tomahawk:

Noone is perfect, that is obvious. But, from what you've said you seem to not believe that there are any good hip-hoppers period. Now granted everyone has a good amount of bones shoved in the closet, but, look at it this way: Jurassic 5. I've met them, they are intelligent well spoken indivisuals. They were never arrested before. Snoop Dogg. Well, he's Snoop. And he has been arrested and convicted of crimes. I think that that would be a good line to draw when determining the morale of a hip-hop star, or any person for that matter.

Now, on to the quoted piece. This is something I feel extremely strong about. Think about this. A prostitute gets paid to have sex. A pornographic film "star" (and i use the term very loosely) gets paid to have sex on film. Why is she any different from a hooker??? I mean, think about it. What, just because some "director" (again, loose term) is telling them how to do it or where or whatever make it not prosititution?!?! I think it's absurd. Now granted I think that hookers are one of the lowest forms of life on the planet, and that the people who need to go to them are very sad indivisuals. But if its okay to have two people paid to have sex while being filmed, I think that its only fair to have people be paid to have sex off film. "But Matt, that's disgusting! People shouldn't be allowed to be paid for sex!!!" RIGHT! So either stop paying porn stars for selling themselves, or legalize prostitution in states that it isn't legal. I opt for the first one. Abolish porn.

*can't wait to hear the porn defense posts that are soon to come...*

And grail, I do agree that its a pretty beaten issue, and the debate is kind of running in circles. But if people want to keept the thread going, I think its a pretty good forum to let some of my feelings be shown (as seen above). Now that I'm sleeping a bit more I'm able to articulate, and I even managed to get a nice response from Ms. WLover.

-Matt

Uh...I messed up a bit...that is the editted version of my original post. Sorry about that all.

-Matt

 

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
Now granted I think that hookers are one of the lowest forms of life on the planet, and that the people who need to go to them are very sad indivisuals.

Now there is some sexism if I ever heard it... two people commit an illegal sex act. The women are the lowest forms of life on earth, and the men are sad individuals, presumably worthy of pity not condemnation. Hmm.

 

[Cantus Rock]

I guess that didn't come out in type the way I thought it. Those statements were supposed to run together to apply to both people. Both sexes deserve ample condemnation. And, what about male prostitutes? Same applies to them, and they're male.

-Matt

 

[towels]

open debate...open debate!

Let's play the draw the line game.
What about in Fatal Attraction (as an example)? They filmed a sex act. Should they be arrested? How much can be shown before it's illegal? Heck, people are sleeping together all the time on Friends.
Or is it about body parts? Unless you agree with Ashcroft on the statue issue, are you defining it as body parts on film? What if they shoot it digitally?
It seems very hard to define once you get to the details.

Or perhaps it's because I'm from different camp and feel what two consenting people do with each other is their business. It's not my job to judge what people are entertained by anyway. Otherwise Adam Sandler would be broke!

 

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by Cantus Rock
Now that I'm sleeping a bit more I'm able to articulate, and I even managed to get a nice response from Ms. WLover.

Now just what was *that* supposed to mean?

Heh.

 

[Cantus Rock]

heh, just a little jokey...we've had our bad run-ins in the past, that's all...

Towels, your post is a good one, and I will be replying to it later this evening.

-Matt

 

[tomahawk]

first of all matt i don't know where you got the impression that i said there were no good hip hop artists. i was just stating that snoop was a higher profile target for the media to rain thier ever-wonderful c%@p upon. and as for abolishing all porn, i think i'm going to pop in a few of my "secret videos".

 

[Boober_Baby]

Dude! I love porn! (I'm a sick, sad individual)

No really... it's HILARIOUS! The way I see it is porn is a good thing. It provides hours of comedy to immature people like me. I mean, no one actually has sex that way. And the guy is always so ugly and hairy, but somehow... he always gets the hottest chick. It's so, so FUNNY!

And yeah! You go, Tomahawk! You go!

^_^

 

[tomahawk]

Originally posted by Boober_Baby
Dude! I love porn! (I'm a sick, sad individual)

No really... it's HILARIOUS! The way I see it is porn is a good thing. It provides hours of comedy to immature people like me. I mean, no one actually has sex that way. And the guy is always so ugly and hairy, but somehow... he always gets the hottest chick. It's so, so FUNNY!

And yeah! You go, Tomahawk! You go!

^_^

oh and i did.thanks for the support.

 

[beaker]

The fact is Im protesting Snoop Dogg in the Muppet film because he's so 1994...they should have gotten Busta Rhymes, as he's much more Muppet looking and slightly more relevant.

As for 'moral' rappers vs gansta rap artists. Sure Coolio, Will Smith, LL Cool J are considered 'safe, pg' rappers...but these guys are slightly mor emoney to obtain than has been mid 90's West Coast gangsta artists.

I believe certain PC sensibilities are holding back what people are trying to say here. I'll leave it at that.

But for the record, I think its interesting how Sesame Street is an inner city ubran dwelling...and look how nice that show ended up being.

Perhaps some people get clouded by what they see on MTV(or "eMpTyV" as I say) Perhaps images of Emenem, Puff Daddy, and Jay-Z clout their perception of inner city life...or just the 'urban' fashion(which despite it not being 1990, is still popular) Go to any mall, the urban style is still quite popular.
Dragon Ball Z shirts seem to be the newest trend.

The idea that 'clean, safe white rock' that promotes drug use is poppycock.

Finally...the real argument should be why the heck do they have to settle for Snoop Dogg...who like Monica Lewinski, Newt Gengrich, and OJ Simpsons is from the lame 90's archives.