Snoop Dogg Excited About Appearing In 'Muppets' Christmas Special

[FellowWLover]

At the risk of being accused of a fence jumper...

We have to remember that Muppets are going for a cross-culture appeal. Snoop Dogg, like it or not, *is* a well-known personality for urban youth. His presence will provide an immediate connection for some kids who may have no idea who the Muppets are. As long as he is fully clothed and suitably presented, I see nothing wrong with him being involved.

I believe that is the original quote to which you might be referring, Matt. That was from me about a month ago.

Now I hear what some people are saying, and I *am* a bit swayed by Patty's points... it does trouble me a bit that Snopp is so unsavory. I certainly wouldn't be happy if Emileigh were to glimpse him on MTV whilst flipping channels, recognize him from a Muppet production and decide to keep watching, only to hear him trash talk about women and "partying", or to see half naked chicks drape themselves all over the screen while he sings about doing it "doggy style". (She doesn't flip channels just yet, but you see my point.) This is the risk we take when we associate someone with Snopp's persona with what *is* still at the point aimed for kids.

However, Matt, I have to say that after reading through your posts here (and remembering your point of view on Goths, Punks, and Freaks) that it may be safe to assume that you have a somewhat narrow view of certain social groups. S'ok.... I am not picking on you. Just might be something to be aware. We all start somewhere.

 

[Cantus Rock]

Re: At the risk of being accused of a fence jumper...

Originally posted by FellowWLover


However, Matt, I have to say that after reading through your posts here (and remembering your point of view on Goths, Punks, and Freaks) that it may be safe to assume that you have a somewhat narrow view of certain social groups. S'ok.... I am not picking on you. Just might be something to be aware. We all start somewhere.

Luckily I don't have any children of my own to be worried about yet, but after stating that I'm quite surprised you still okay with having him on.

I might have a narrow view on gothic subculture. I will be glad to admit that I have narrow views on many social groups, for the simple reason that their thinking offends me, and I see them as a threat (in certain respects) to modern society. Its not like I'm trying to raise any armies against these people or convert anyone to my thinking, its all just my personal opinions. With the hip-hop subculture though, that is quite off-mark. If you go into my "Our Fav. Music" in the General Discussion, you'll see that I am very deep into hip-hop, and would be more than glad (heck, I'd be thrilled) if they'd have a person from the rap community on a Muppet production. I just think it should be one that's a little less morally outragous. Now, you might be saying "Matt, a moral rapper is an oxymoron," but that's just not so. There are many solo artists and groups with good, honest, intelligent people, who would all be great for the show or any Muppet production. I just don't see why it was necissary to choose Snoop.

Like you said, its all part of the risks of giving the children clickers after having them seen Snoop on a family special. In a way it would be worse having him be a perfect, well spoken man on the special, because should they see him elsewhere they'd be more inclined to watch. I don't know how old your daughter is, but I just don't think that any of the young ones need to be influenced by him. When their older, they can decide whats right and wrong for themselves, then that's different. But for now, if only to keep the small shred of innocence that the world will allow, I say, keep him away.

-Matt

 

[tomahawk]

but the thing is, how do you know that these other hip hop artists are morally acceptable? is it because they are not popular enough for the media to want to pick any of their closets clean? probably a blessing for them. being morally acceptable is a fine line to draw. i believe i stated this before but i am no angel, far from it. does that mean i should'nt be allowed to be involved with muppety fun stuff?

 

[grail]

bottom line time...we really need to get over this thread...

i am NOT a fan of Snoop Dog, never have been, never will be, and basically for all the reasons that have been hammered into everyone who has bothered to read it. HOWEVER, he does have a fan base, his name will attract some viewers (hopefully more than it turns away), and at the end of the day, if Henson wants to let him be in the picture, then he's gonna be in the picture. we all know we're gonna watch no matter what, so we might as well get over it.

besides, if what some of the others have said about him trying to clean himself up is true, then i say more power to him. lord only knows where i'd be without second, third, fourth, etc chances. if he wants to do something that his kids can (legally) see before the age of 18, then who am i to argue. it's not like he's starring here.

we don't have to be happy about it, but...and here's the life lesson...our opinions aren't always the ones that matter. my suggestion is to just let it go...in the end, it's not worth fighting over. life is too short.

oh, and on a sidenote that REALLY torques me off:

you don't want your kids watching his "other ventures", then watch the tv WITH your kids...i grew up with a television for a babysitter, and i wouldn't wish that upon any child.

now before anyone says anything about that statement, only one person in here has mentioned her own child in relation to this, and i get the distinct impression that she is not the type to do that, so i am NOT pointing a finger at her. from what i can tell, she is just the type TO actually sit and watch with her child, and to teach her early on what things she shouldn't bother with trying to watch on her own...i just wanted to clear that up first.

anyway...people that cry foul because there are objectionable things on tv really get on my nerves. you want to know what your child's watching? you want to try and shape their interests? sit down and watch with them. all those Muppet movies that we ALL have? why not plop down on the couch and pop one in while they're around. show them what real humor is...what's actually WORTH watching.

sorry...that's a touchy subject for me...i kinda rambled incoherently there...

 

[FellowWLover]

Originally posted by grail
bottom line time...we really need to get over this thread...

Why?

Everytime we hit an interesting subject, somebody wants to shut it down. Why can't we discuss it? It is MUPPET related, and topical.

As for your question Matt, my daughter is three and a half. And as you can see from my posts, I have gone back and forth a bit on this subject. No, I wouldn't want her to have Snoop as a role model, but fortunately for me, she doesn't watch TV without me. I don't know what the answer is here. That is why I think it is fine to talk about it. I am glad that you took my post in the vein that it was intended.

 

[towels]

Here's a question that could probably use answering...who picked the guest stars? My guess would be that NBC had a lot of say as to the human content of this "movie".
Henson/Em.tv are likely very happy to be getting major network exposure and it could be that they were unwilling to say no, even if they had any moral qualms.

 

[Boober_Baby]

Awww... give Snoop a chance!

Aw, I kinda like Snoop Doggy Dogg! (I ALWAYS call him Doggy Dogg... it's so old school, man!). Now, I don't really know any of you that well so I'm gonna try not to make any assumptions, but A LOT of people have experimented with drugs, and I'm willing to bet (but not to assume) that a lot of you have too. Now, I could be COMPLETELY wrong here, but I'm just trying to make a point... albeit a weak one, but still. Give the man a break!

Also, while watching Much News (from MuchMusic, for those who don't know, a Canadian MTV) I heard that Snoop is giving up drugs... or at least TRYING to give up drugs. I dunno if he did or not, but it seems to me that Snoop's trying to turn himself around a little. And what better way to clean up his act then on the Muppets! You go, Doggy Dogg!

Really, to me, what it comes down to is none of us really know Snoop on a personal level. He could very well be just like any of us! And, as we are all Muppet fans here, wouldn't you love the chance to be on TV with Kermit for even a second? Snoop just wants to have some fun with the frog! Didn't you read the title!? He's excited, man! Let the man have his frog! (And eat it too! ... JUST KIDDING! ^^

And... uh... this post is really incoherent and stupid, but I'm just trying to let you all see my point of view. And if I offended anybody, I apologize in advance. Please don't take any of what I said to heart... I'm just defending a man.

^_^ Debo

 

[FellowWLover]

Re: Awww... give Snoop a chance!

Originally posted by Boober_Baby

And... uh... this post is really incoherent and stupid, but I'm just trying to let you all see my point of view.

Course it is... judging from what you said, you were probably *high* when you wrote it!

Heh heh

Seriously, I think the porn is more the issue than his penchant for "smoking bones".

 

[tomahawk]

why is everyone so uptight about porno? i mean they are doing a job(no pun intended) and getting paid,nicely i might add. if you don't like it don't watch it. same goes for the muppet christmas special, if you are determined to make a statement about snoop don't watch the show.

 

[Cantus Rock]

Originally posted by tomahawk
why is everyone so uptight about porno? i mean they are doing a job(no pun intended) and getting paid,nicely i might add. if you don't like it don't watch it. same goes for the muppet christmas special, if you are determined to make a statement about snoop don't watch the show.

First, in response to your first post about hip-hop stars, tomahawk:

Noone is perfect, that is obvious. But, from what you've said you seem to not blieve that there are any good hip-hoppers period. Now granted everyone has a good amount of bones shoved in the closet, but, look at it this way: Jurassic 5. I've met them, they are intelligent well spoken indivisuals. They were never arrested before. Snoop Dogg. Well, he's Snoop. And he has been arrested and convicted of crimes. I think that that would be a good line to draw when determining the morale of a hi-hop star, or any person for that matter.

Now, on to the quoted piece. This is something I feel extremely strong about. Think about this very valid point. A prostitute gets paid to have sex. A pornographic film "star" (and i use the term very loosely) gets paid to have sex on film. Why is she any different from a hooker??? I mean, think about it. What, just because some "director" (again, loose term) is telling them how to do it or where or whatever make it not prosititution?!?! I think it's absurd. Now granted I think that hookers are one of the lowest forms of life on the planet, and that the people who need to go to them are very sad indivisuals. But if its okay to have two people paid to have sex while being filmed, I think that its only fair to have people be paid to have sex off film. "But Matt, that's disgusting! People shouldn't be allowed to be paid for sex!!!" RIGHT! So either stop paying porn stars for selling themselves, or legalize prostitution in states that it isn't legal. I opt for the first one. Abolish porn.

*can't wait to hear the porn defense posts that are soon to come...*

-Matt