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Ok, I read all of the posts in this topic, and have mentally collected parts that I want to comment on, so my tone might change throughout this post.
1.)Ok, whoever posted that Walt Disney wasn't creative and that he was driven by money, certainly is either mis-informed or not informed, so I can't get mad at them. Walt Disney would run story sessions where he would tell his staff his ideas for hours at a time, running from here to there, and changing his voices. It was as if, his imagination completely took over his body. Also, money had a way of burning a hole in Walt's pocket, and he believed that having money just to have it, was wrong. Walt would constantly ignore his brother Roy's advice on saving money and cutting corners. Whenever Walt Disney was making a profit, he would give his employees raises and find new projects and new ways of making his films more realistic.
2.) If you think about Walt Disney, don't link him to the new Disney's ideals. The new Disney, headed by Eisner, has completely left the moral ideas and values that used to be synonimous with the Disney name. The new Disney has even gone as far as to tell their Cast Members in the parks not to quote or mention Walt Disney so that guests won't realize how different the park is versus how Walt Disney wanted it. (go to dtroops.com or maybe its d-troops.com)
3.) If anyone thinks that Disney just opened the parks to advertize its films, they're both right and wrong.
Walt Disney originally had the idea to open Disneyland to create a safe and clean environment for the whole family to enjoy themselves. He had entertainment and story at the heart of his park, like with his movies. His rides were focused on story, and backed up by special effects, unlike how it is today. And, he wanted to make the guests feel like the attention was on them, and that they were the stars. But, after Sleeping Beauty had witnessed a devastating smash at the theatres, Walt decided to name the castle, Sleeping Beauty's castle for extra publicity and because it was his favorite of his films. So, while Disney did use the park as advertizing, it was not his main or even second or third goal.
4.) Someone compared Sesame Street to Walt Disney Animated films. That is an extremely unfair comparison. If they were going to compare Henson and Disney they should have compared equal parts of the companies. Muppet Show and Animated Films or Sesame Street and children's television shows put out by Disney. And, anyone who says that Sesame Street isn't as politically correct as Disney, should watch Grover's around the world clips, take a Spanish lesson from Rosita, or learn about stds from that muppet who has HIV (I heard that this muppet is only in South America and Africa, I don't really know that much about him/her)
5.) I agree with cristyb, my view of the Muppets is different than someone else's because the things that I have seen and heard are different than what other people have experienced.
6.) Hopefully now that Disney owns the Muppets, they can make a new attraction. No offense to anyone, but I don't like Muppetvision 3D. I think that for a 3-D show, it really lacks 3-D effects. But, I do like when Sweetums comes out and the program playing on the tv screens when you are waiting to go into the theatre.
7.) I like the fact that Muppets is now owned by a more stable company like Disney. Especially because I am a Disney fanatic. But, (for now) I am thinking of the two as different things. For me (right now) I see The Muppets and I see the characters from the Disney Animated canon. I don't put them together, I see them as seperate entities. I ask daily Disney Trivia Questions on magicalears.com and people have asked me to start asking Muppets questions, too. And, although legally they are Disney, they just aren't by my standards, so I am yet to ask Muppet trivia questions. (BTW, I think that a trivia section would be great on this site, and you can either have one person ask Muppet questions, or have a game where all members can ask questions or both!
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8.) Pixar will be able to cameo characters in its upcoming films that aren't partnered with Disney. I can't wait for Ratouille (SP?)!
9.) If Disney were to put the Muppet DVDs back in the Vault, they would have months of advertising saying things like, "Don't miss your last chance to own a part of Muppet magic!" Or something else that will make you want to get out and buy it!
10) And, the last thing is that although it may be rumored that Snoopy and Kermit are more widely known that Mickey, Mickey Mouse is the most recognizable symbol coming close to the shwastika (SP?) and the cross.
I think thats all that I have to say for right, now, thanks for listening. (If you are wondering where I got my info on Disney from, I have been researching Walt Disney and his company for the last four years, so don't think that I just made this stuff up.
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Ok, I read all of the posts in this topic, and have mentally collected parts that I want to comment on, so my tone might change throughout this post.
1.)Ok, whoever posted that Walt Disney wasn't creative and that he was driven by money, certainly is either mis-informed or not informed, so I can't get mad at them. Walt Disney would run story sessions where he would tell his staff his ideas for hours at a time, running from here to there, and changing his voices. It was as if, his imagination completely took over his body. Also, money had a way of burning a hole in Walt's pocket, and he believed that having money just to have it, was wrong. Walt would constantly ignore his brother Roy's advice on saving money and cutting corners. Whenever Walt Disney was making a profit, he would give his employees raises and find new projects and new ways of making his films more realistic.
2.) If you think about Walt Disney, don't link him to the new Disney's ideals. The new Disney, headed by Eisner, has completely left the moral ideas and values that used to be synonimous with the Disney name. The new Disney has even gone as far as to tell their Cast Members in the parks not to quote or mention Walt Disney so that guests won't realize how different the park is versus how Walt Disney wanted it. (go to dtroops.com or maybe its d-troops.com)
3.) If anyone thinks that Disney just opened the parks to advertize its films, they're both right and wrong.
Walt Disney originally had the idea to open Disneyland to create a safe and clean environment for the whole family to enjoy themselves. He had entertainment and story at the heart of his park, like with his movies. His rides were focused on story, and backed up by special effects, unlike how it is today. And, he wanted to make the guests feel like the attention was on them, and that they were the stars. But, after Sleeping Beauty had witnessed a devastating smash at the theatres, Walt decided to name the castle, Sleeping Beauty's castle for extra publicity and because it was his favorite of his films. So, while Disney did use the park as advertizing, it was not his main or even second or third goal. 4.) Someone compared Sesame Street to Walt Disney Animated films. That is an extremely unfair comparison. If they were going to compare Henson and Disney they should have compared equal parts of the companies. Muppet Show and Animated Films or Sesame Street and children's television shows put out by Disney. And, anyone who says that Sesame Street isn't as politically correct as Disney, should watch Grover's around the world clips, take a Spanish lesson from Rosita, or learn about stds from that muppet who has HIV (I heard that this muppet is only in South America and Africa, I don't really know that much about him/her)
5.) I agree with cristyb, my view of the Muppets is different than someone else's because the things that I have seen and heard are different than what other people have experienced.
6.) Hopefully now that Disney owns the Muppets, they can make a new attraction. No offense to anyone, but I don't like Muppetvision 3D. I think that for a 3-D show, it really lacks 3-D effects. But, I do like when Sweetums comes out and the program playing on the tv screens when you are waiting to go into the theatre.
7.) I like the fact that Muppets is now owned by a more stable company like Disney. Especially because I am a Disney fanatic. But, (for now) I am thinking of the two as different things. For me (right now) I see The Muppets and I see the characters from the Disney Animated canon. I don't put them together, I see them as seperate entities. I ask daily Disney Trivia Questions on magicalears.com and people have asked me to start asking Muppets questions, too. And, although legally they are Disney, they just aren't by my standards, so I am yet to ask Muppet trivia questions. (BTW, I think that a trivia section would be great on this site, and you can either have one person ask Muppet questions, or have a game where all members can ask questions or both!
)8.) Pixar will be able to cameo characters in its upcoming films that aren't partnered with Disney. I can't wait for Ratouille (SP?)!
9.) If Disney were to put the Muppet DVDs back in the Vault, they would have months of advertising saying things like, "Don't miss your last chance to own a part of Muppet magic!" Or something else that will make you want to get out and buy it!
10) And, the last thing is that although it may be rumored that Snoopy and Kermit are more widely known that Mickey, Mickey Mouse is the most recognizable symbol coming close to the shwastika (SP?) and the cross.
I think thats all that I have to say for right, now, thanks for listening. (If you are wondering where I got my info on Disney from, I have been researching Walt Disney and his company for the last four years, so don't think that I just made this stuff up.
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. But to see someone as strange as Gonzo be accepted always gave me hope. I liked that we never knew what he was, everyone just thought he was some kind of wierd bird. But I agree with you and Vic people have a tendency to fall in love with something and always want that first love back. Like the first time you hear a groups song that you love, that will always be in your top 5 of their songs. Same thing here so I won't say anything about the Muppet Babies (whistles)
Um...You may have been looking at the wrong post; I live in Florida. ARE there any conservatives in California? 
I laugh way harder at the Disney shorts than the Warner Bros. For me, Warner Bros. is the pinnacle of site gags. If you don't think that Disney has multilayered comedy, maybe you should watch some of those old shorts again, they are filled with satire and jokes geared for older people that just fly over your head as a kid. One short that comes to mind is "Father's Day Off" where there are plenty of site gags, but the radio program playing in the background and the door to door salesman and the milkman that kisses Goofy. I could go on and on, just in that one short.