Deja vu all over again

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The thing that bugs me is that the left gets so much crap for not being religious

I'm not saying they should all be religious or anything. Just that there is occasionally this very haughty attitude towards the whole idea. It's like when Republicans say they hold a monopoly on morality, when obviously they don't. In the same way, I don't think the Democrats hold a monopoly on tolerance either.

 

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Spent last night in the dubious company of a very conservative client. Eh, he's waiting around to die, so when he blathered contemptuously on about how that durned Obama is turning us "into a socialist country" and how happy he was to see Perry and Bachman on Fox News (on most of the night, thankfully with the sound off) and what a GREAT ticket the two of them would make together...I just listened and made noncommittal noises and let him enjoy his delusions. Seriously, the guy was in terrible physical shape, and it would have accomplished zilch for me to speak up...plus I was on the clock for his sake. But he's perfectly indicative of the ignorance. What really bugged me was that he later spoke knowledgably about old English history, the Domesday Booke, Battle of Hastings, etc. He used to be a software designer for a railroad. So, not uneducated...perhaps DrTooth's statement about the Teabaggers being educated beyond their mental capacity (yes, I'm greatly paraphrasing, sorry) has good merit to it...

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Spent last night in the dubious company of a very conservative client. Eh, he's waiting around to die, so when he blathered contemptuously on about how that durned Obama is turning us "into a socialist country" and how happy he was to see Perry and Bachman on Fox News (on most of the night, thankfully with the sound off) and what a GREAT ticket the two of them would make together...

CEO's still get the highest pay. They get the biggest tax cuts. The burden is on the working class, and Obama is powerless to do anything about it. How the crap is this country "socialist?"

Yeah, uneducated isn't the word. Completely deluded and over educated in conspiracy theory, indeed.

Bachman is the closest thing to a fascist the country could have as a leader. Above all other Republicans. Worst Romney could be is another "screw the poor, let them fight a Middle Eastern Battle that's completely underfunded and botched" Reagan/ Bush dittohead.

I mean, the complete and utter venomous nonsense these Tea people speak about is UnAmerican to the core. They want to take votes away from young people because we're not as "smart" as them. They want net neutrality to END, even though NN lets them whine their fingers off on conspiracy theorist blogs because they're afraid of the gov'ment takin' their private informations. They WANTED the default and lower credit rating so they can pin the blame on the supposed socialists that didn't want to kick out old people on the street for the sake of keeping undeserved tax cuts. And in some extreme cases they idolize crazies... like the hack country musician with NO hit albums or songs that NO ONE has ever heard of that somehow had a crap load of money that crashed his plane into an IRS building for not paying his taxes. So, they idolize a lazy good for nothing musician that has more money than all of them combined that selfishly cheated on his taxes... YEAH! That's the stable thinking of their ilk.

I want freaking changes too, but not ones that destroy the country and let us into the longest period of deep dark nothingness so we can rebuild to a crappy almost Dickensian land of corporations... seriously, how much like Wall*E do all these people want us to become?

 

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What really bugged me was that he later spoke knowledgably about old English history, the Domesday Booke, Battle of Hastings, etc. He used to be a software designer for a railroad. So, not uneducated...

Then maybe it isn't that people are uneducated. Maybe they have other reasons for choosing the side they do. Perhaps the Democrats don't come across like they're speaking for them.

If I'm critical of the Democrats, it's only because they do have so much potential but don't seem to have a clue why they are failing.

 

[Drtooth]

If I'm critical of the Democrats, it's only because they do have so much potential but don't seem to have a clue why they are failing.

Seriously... you had a guy who basically broke the world come before you. Even I had very thin expectations of what you could do and you've been disappointing. Now the only reason to vote for the president again is either A) the Reps have become scarier and scarier. What's it to say that Romney's not even my biggest fear anymore... especially what he did to the state of MA? and B) just to tick the Tea party off. Really.

I know what they WANT to do, but they fail every time to do it. They are a weak half party. Seriously, I can't even call it a two party system anymore. It's one and a half party system. Ted Kennedy has some big shoes to fill for a tough Dem. All of them are just so pathetically Chalrie Brown-esque and Wishy Washy. Oh yeah, you want to raise taxes and get revenue we desperately need from the wealthiest pigs that aren't doing anything to create jobs... you want to raise minimum wage so people stuck in crap jobs (the only ones the corporations bother making) don't have to live on the streets. But once they hear the single wiff of the word "Socialist," they cower and back off. They deregulate things and keep wars going just like the opposing party. look at Bush. He was a bully and a total schmuck, and he GOT CRAP DONE! Every time someone said anything bad about them, he just sicked Hannity or someone at them.

Personally, the dumb backwards country bumpkin Republican stereotype stuff doesn't really apply over here, which is why I never actually buy. Naw, we just have WASPs in the suburbs that are afraid they have to pay taxes. So, honestly, those white collar neo-con types are what bother me.

 

[Drtooth]

I hate to double post, but frankly, I have to say this.

United we stand divided we fall, and we're wondering why we have a dysfunctional government. We're bitterly divided on everything and we can't see the monster behind the curtain manipulating us all. Sure, I don't like how the right manages to manipulate people the way they do, getting marketing brainwasher Frank Lutz to redefine and rename everything so bad things sound good and good things sound terrible (He's the deviant mastermind that came up with "Government take over of Health Care" among others). I've also had it with the wussbag banking loving left that stands firmly on taking toys out of Happy Meals but falters when it comes to tax hikes or regulations for the monolithic megacorps that squish us between our toes. And I especially hate the unorganized, absolutely useless "third" parties as well.

Everyone's shouting at each other, NOTHING is getting done, we're getting extremist politicians and pundits telling us what to think... everything's going to be a mess, and NO ONE'S DOING ANYTHING about the real problem, runaway corporate greed that's destroying capitalism.

I still find it hilarious that people think the president is a communist. We're so far from communism in this country, we're on corporate socialism. I have never been this disgusted to say I was from this country in my life. Not even when we were throwing money around to go destroy dictators we helped into power.

This is the last I'm talking about in this thread, and frankly, I'd love to move to another country, but gosh darn it all, like the rest of the country I keep forgetting this is a global recession based on problems with global banks that keep doing the same things ours do.

 

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"Corporate socialism"...yes. Well put!

I'm less concerned about the next pres election (frankly, I have yet to see anyone who looks like a real challenger on the Repub side) than I am the Congressional elections the next couple of years. Yes, the Dems aren't reaching the morons buying into the Tea Party (or for that matter, the "educated" ones who somehow think yelling "Yeah! Throw 'em out!" is how one gets good government); yes, they should crack down on giving any more candy to the spoiled little rich kids in suits. They're still the lesser of two evils, and I may actually vote this time (I haven't bothered for several years out of sheer disgust with it all)...although in this state (AZ) I realize my vote will likely be just a lost cause. Sometimes voting your conscience (and hey, write in Kermit or someone if you don't like any of the alternatives) is the only thing you can do...short of pulling corporate sabotage.

What a shame that most of the military guys who could pull off a bloodless act of infrastructure sabotage (say, on Citibank or Exxon) are almost all Neocons to their crew-cut cores... We really NEED better hackers on the right side!

On that notion...where do you guys stand on groups like Anonymous? I dislike their making sensitive personal info (like people's credit card #s) public online, but applaud their showing-up-the-complacent-companies values. Just wish they'd take down more bloodsuckers while they're at it. Oh, if I could, I would...
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They're still the lesser of two evils, and I may actually vote this time

Lesser of two evils is a myth at this point. As far as I'm concerned, voting for any evil is still voting for evil.

 

[Drtooth]

Lesser of two evils is a myth at this point. As far as I'm concerned, voting for any evil is still voting for evil.

They're both useless, and figure heads. The banking and oil industry own our souls. Sure, there's always someone that TRIES to stand up towards these guys, but they either get caught up in political corruption, or they're labeled a socialist and cower and cow tow to parties that don't like them.

I see Obama as a niche cable network. And you all know what I think about them. They have a loyal fanbase of people that want something specific that you can't find anywhere else, and once the ratings slip by 2 viewers, they pander to everyone else who's happy with the everything else they follow, essentially losing 2 demographics... the loyal fans who followed and supported them and an imaginary demographic they aren't entitled to that they can't get no matter what. In the pursuit of being "bipartisan" Obama turned into a moderate Republican for the Republicans that wanted him to fail so they can put another one of them in there. I'm almost surprised they hate him. He hasn't killed the generous tax cuts, he always gives into the budget cuts only they want (Government shut down AND debt ceiling, which the Tea Party wanted both to happen so they could blame him), he kept on the same idiot army generals from Bush that clearly just want to keep their jobs at this point... other than a completely watered down, easily repealable Health Care bill that "nobody wanted" (well, that nobody wanted after they paid a fortune to Frank Lutz to call it Government take over of health care, and plastic surgeons to appear on Crazy Beck's Cavalcade of Crackpot Conspiracies), and a couple nods to the gay community, he didn't do anything yet. And it's both because of his cowardly nature of giving into the right, and the fact that the Tea Party hijacked the country and things have been getting steadily worse once Congress got taken over.