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Christmas: Are they shoving it down our throats too early?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CaseytheMuppet, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Hoo boy, I just found this:

    It's like a combination of funny, stupid, and just plain uncomfortable (like I feel sorry for those guys at McDonald's having to put up with Fake Marv).
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  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm also reminded of something else, that I'm pretty sure I've mentioned before, but it seems to me that Dr. Seuss has been victimized by Christmas as well, and it's probably the Grinch's fault.

    I think because HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS is so successful, and possibly the most popular and well-known of Dr. Seuss' work, that somehow, that means Christmas is the only time of year that other Dr. Seuss specials can be seen as well, even if they have nothing to do with Christmas... y'know, it's almost like how "Linus and Lucy" is considered a Christmas song when it really isn't.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That goes back to my rant about Christmas specials, and a part I left out. Does anyone remember when they used to have TV specials just randomly through out the year, and they didn't even need a holiday to connect them to? It's one thing that they only have Christmas specials, and not even that many of them... but the networks just don't like odd primetime cartoon specials in the timeslot of their reruns. That's why the only Halloween special is Charlie Brown, and the only Thanksgiving special (though, to be fair, it's not like there was that many of them) is also Charlie Brown.

    There are only 3 Dr. Seuss books... well, characters over the books that are popular. The Grinch, as you said for the reasons you said (they still make merchandise for the movie, supposedly... ABC Family gives it a run every year), Cat in the Hat (kinda helps that he has that cartoon series on PBS), and the Lorax only due to the movie and really localized in its own fanbase. The Green Eggs and Ham guys were only popular as a YTP meme.

    But to get to my earlier point, they used to have these odd specials based on more obscure Dr. Seuss books, some were even original specials. Other than a DVD release, these things haven't been seen for quite some time.
  4. robodog

    robodog Well-Known Member

    Yeah I remember. I know they used to have various Looney Tunes specials at some points. I remember being five and being angry because there was supposed to be a Bugs Bunny special one night but it was interrupted by the President's speech.
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Boy, Frank Oz is going to be ****** if he ever finds out about this:

    On the Seasonal Music Choice channel, a blurb of trivia appeared on the screen that read, "Frank Oz played the voice of Miss Piggy, Animal, and Fozzie in The Muppet Christmas Carol."

    Some people just really can't discern the different between puppeteering and voice work, can they?
  6. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    Ugh! I hate that! Frank did not just voiced, he puppeterred for crying out loud... puppeteered (that means performed and did the voice of Miss Piggy, Animal, and Fozzie.

    Some trivia! Hmph! :(
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Looney Tunes, Garfield, Dr. Seuss... they do show some of the Peanuts specials and they've released a large number of them on DVD before they just gave up (where's my copy of that dumb live action hybrid special where Spike gets taken care of by a hot blonde that I wasn't too crazy about as a kid?)... but there used to be prime time specials all the time. Even episodes of cartoons sometimes, like the Planet of the Turtleoids and the very first episode of Tiny Toons. Now they barely show the Christmas ones.

    Though I am thankful they aren't airing that not at all a Christmas special Frosty Returns. I don't hate it... there's a LOT of great talent in that one... Brian Doyle Murray, Andrea Martin, John Goodman, Johnathan Winters... but it's too dated (the MTV line gets more cringe inducing every year), and I hate winter... I REALLY hate winter. The adults are completely right in this darn special, and they're treated like the villains because they don't understand the whimsy of not having to shovel 20 pounds per foot of icy, wet, dirty gray snow that the plow shoves onto your sidewalk. Okay, I ranted there. But seriously... It ain't a Christmas special. There's no mention of Christmas, just like the real Frosty song.

    That said, I am grateful I have most of my favorite Christmas episodes on DVD now. From Earthworm Jim to Darkwing Duck to the Dinosaurs Refrigerator Day special.
  8. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    I really hate the "Designated Villain" trope, especially when it comes to Christmas specials, because they'll be doing something totally logical that's just considered "villainous" because it's not what the heroes want, and because people are supposed to be "nice" at Christmastime (I've noticed that in a lot of more famous Christmas media, like the Grinch or A Christmas Carol, there is an actual villain, but he [or she, more rarely] comes around in the end, which is a lot better than having a Designated Villain). The trope in general irritates me (as most Informed Attribute tropes do), but it's especially grating when used in Christmas specials.

    My mom has most of the Rankin-Bass and other Christmas specials on tape (since she's a Catholic school teacher, she can actually show Christmas specials to her students;)), so we don't even bother DVRing them; we just pop them in the VCR should we want to see them.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Frosty Returns special is a horrible example, or rather a good example of them abusing that trope. It's not even about "The Magic of Christmas," so much as you're a horrible, godless heathen if you don't love snowstorms and winter. The story is basically someone invents an arisol spray can that melts snow really fast. They mention environmental issues in passing for like 1 second which would at least have given the "villain" an actual morally inferior motive. But the whole thing plays out as: If you don't like the magic of arctic temperatures, backbreaking manual clean ups, and being crammed in your house for days on end, you're a terrible, cynical, selfish evil person.

    In reality, a device that could melt snow that rapidly would be a godsend to the elderly, keep our roads safe and well treated, and above all making a dangerous time of the year a little easier to manage. But because it melts poor Frosty, it's the evilest device ever. Heck, it's the complainer is always wrong, and everyone but Frosty and that girl are the complainers.
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  10. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    With regards to Frosty, I'm asking to see if I've got it right.
    There's the original that is apparently owned by CBS because they're the only ones who air it. The second Frosty special I know of is the one where Crystal, his snow-wife was made. #3 would have to be that one with John Goodman voicing Frosty that I only saw a snipet of and barely even remember. #4 is another version where Frosty is voiced by John Candy I think. #5 has to be the one where comedian Larry Miller voices the strict school principal, that special is narrated by the main kid who's now an adult remembering his childhood adventure. Finally, there's Rudolph and Frosty, the special that basically puts Rankin-Bass's characters together in one grand superstory.

    The good thing is that ABC Family dedicates one of the weekends of December to all the Rankin Bass specials, 2-D or stop-motion animated, except I noticed Christmas in Killarny was missing last year.

    Speaking of other specials... The one Seuss special that hasn't aired in ages is Pontoffel Pock. One of the specials I like is Olive the Other Reindeer which airs on CN. But I have to ask, does anyone remember a special where Rudolph was an Aussie-voiced character trying to make it on the sleigh team and deal with his crush on Vixen at the same time?

    Also, I watch ABC Family's 25 Days promotion mostly for the Pixar premieres, they debut the movie that was in theaters two years ago. So that means Drtooth's least fave will be getting the prime hype this time around. :p
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. #3 is Frosty Returns, the one with John Goodman. They would always air that on CBS together with the original Frosty on first. Now, I dig the original Frosty, though I hate how they overdubbed June Foray's voice with some wooden, talentless little girl voice actress. But Frosty Returns, despite having a very good voice cast and pretty good animation, just suffers from a terrible message and dated humor. I'm glad they're not showing that one this year.

    You mean Robbie the Reindeer. Ah, yes. That one aired like twice in the US. One of Fox Kids with the original British Voice cast, and another on CBS redubbed by American celebrities. The second one came with the second cartoon about them looking for the lost vikings. There's a third one that never aired in the US that came out in 2007. I'm kicking myself for not buying the DVD of the first 2, as it's out of print and held up on some idiotic copyright tie-up.
  12. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Oh, Robbie the Reindeer, yeah, thanks.

    Maybe you'd know this one too... There was another Christmas special that aired once about twin penguin princesses, the swetheart heroine and her icy sister who eventually gets redeemed by the special's end, they basically had to defend their homeland from pirate claimjumpers or something like that. Dunno, it only aired once and it was a chance catch.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Know what I'm sick of? Every year, some jerkwad steals something, be it decorations or donated toys or something... and don't get me wrong. That is low... but every stinking year, the local news refers to it as "a Grinch stole [such and such]." If there's one time to not be festive and make cute references (that probably make the crooks laugh their butts off... way to feed the trolls, guys), it's when some waste of human life steals toys for underprivileged kids.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well I mean the Grinch was a low life crook stealing toys and decorations (and even food!) from kids (not sure how underprivileged the Who's were meant to be). It's not inaccurate. :p I mean it's cute for us the audience but it's still a really rotten thing to do. That's what makes the redemption story so effective. :)
  15. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    On the subject of Christmas music:
    Two of the Beatles had Christmas hits in their solo careers- John's "Happy Xmas (War is Over)", which inspired some decent cover versions, and Paul's "Simply Having a Wonderful Christmastime", which also has been covered into submission.

    But while I love John's ditty, Paul's (and there's so much of his solo work I do love) makes me turn off the radio whenever it's on. And the covers of Paul's tune have the same... sickly-sweet sugarcoating, it's like OD'ing on marshmallows.

    Then there are the Kinks who gave us "Father Christmas", and Ray Davies' fantastic imagery of the poverty-stricken British kids who threaten to mug the department store Santa for money. "Give all the toys to the little rich boys". Give it a listen, it might raise a dry smile.
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  16. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    My favorite Christmas song is still Christmas at Ground Zero :p

    I just love how it's so happy with jingle bells and a choir and yet everything about it just absolutely horrible.

    But then again I'm weird.
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The difference is this. In real life, crooks seldom care. The Grinch stole the Whos' material possessions because he was fed up with how annoying they were when they were happy, but brought it back because those things didn't matter. Now, those who steal Christmas decorations are trolls trying to get a reaction out of people on the news. They usually get caught, but no one televises it when they do.

    But those who steal toys from charity are those who's motives are so unpure, they don't care who they hurt because it's more important to get the monetary value of the gifts on the black market. While anything else I could add would just be a moral discussion of why certain people turn to crime, all I can say is going after charity is low. It's low on so many levels, the least of which is that there's so little of it out there to begin with. Even the toy companies would rather throw out their unsellable overstock than give it away (on the plus side, at least there aren't a bunch of sad, impoverished kids opening up Terminator Salvation toys. That's a big fat middle finger, right there). These guys are pretty shabby crooks to go after kids that are just as poor as they are over some amoral rich fop who deserves it.

    That said, call the trolls that steal holiday decorations Grinches. What we should call those who steal toys for the needy I can't say on this family forum.
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    No need to explain why the real life crooks are bad, I hear you, lol. I'm just not going to let the Grinch off the hook here, otherwise the redemption story doesn't really matter. ;)
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I love the music video essentially being 40's and 50's public domain bits. But what really gets me is using the footage of Ronald Reagan saying "The big moment is almost with us." It's just biting in the context they used it.

    But I have to admit, I like Christmas at Ground Zero a little more than The Night Santa Went Crazy (even the ultra violent version). Especially since it manages to borrow the tunes from obscure Christmas music. The main composition is slightly based off of "I Yust go Nuts at Christmas" which is a hilarious song in it's own right. "Peace on Earth und Goodvill to Men, an' just at that minute someone slugs Uncle Ben."
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  20. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Haven't heard Christmas at Ground Zero in a long time... Then again, I love The Night Santa Went Crazy. But has anyone here besides me ever heard the tracks from the Tales From the Crypt Christmas album? I sing the lyrics to Good Old Uncle Ned every time I hear Good King Wenceslaus on MCR.

    Good old Uncle Ned dropped dead in the chestnut dressing.
    Grandma Rose turned up her toes following the blessing.
    After that Aunt Hatty croaked, next my sister Bessy.
    Dear old dad took a cab, things were getting messy.

    There's lots to love in that album, I think some people here would have a good laugh with Juggle Bills for instance.

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