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Christmas: Are they shoving it down our throats too early?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CaseytheMuppet, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Edit: Got ziffled.

    That's why I basically stick with ABC Family's 25 Days of Christmas, at least there, though I think it should be better structured to avoid so much repeat airings I basically know I'm getting something I might be interested in every day.

    ABC Family did air Snoopy Come Home and Bon Voyage Charlie Brown the day before Thanksgiving as part of their annual Countdown to Christmas which did surprise me.

    Still waiting for the Rankin-Bass Christmas specials weekend which has become another standard of ABC Family's December programming, mainly for the big Rudolph and Frosty crossoverspecial. That and Santa Clause 2 which for some reason gets downplayed in favor of Santa Clause 1 and 3 in double-feature promotions; Olive the Other Reindeer; the animated version of How the Grinch Stole Christmas, which I love more when you learn it's being narrated by Boris Karloff to his then 2-year old daughter Sarah Jane (thanks for that little trivia goes to the BTS special hosted by Phil Hartman); and of corpse, my uverfave dual-holiday movie.

    *Leaves a choc chip 7 cookie for Drtooth, 8 for D'Snowth, and 9 for BeatnikChick.
    Happy holidays guys and gals.
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  2. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Lady Gaga Thanksgiving holiday concert, check.
    Kelly Clarkson country music holiday concert, check.
    And of course, it can't be Christmas apparently without a Michael Bublé special which'll air next Wednesday.

    Frankly, the only reason to watch is because not only is Mike's special concert a new 2010's tradition, but so is his having a member from the Sesame gang as a guest for a song segment. in 2011 :grouchy: was roped into Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, 2012 brought one of Kevin's last performances as :laugh: singing All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth, and this year :insatiable: will drop by as well.

    *Reads over the name of the concert's star performer...
    Yako: Michael Bubble?
    Whacko: Michael Bubbly?
    Dot: Nah, Michael Booble... Michael Babble... Mr. White Christmas.
  3. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Celine Dion's got a concert coming up, too.
  4. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    One Rankin-Bass Christmas special that seems to have fallen through the cracks is "Nestor the Long-Eared Donkey". Tale of a poor donkey who gets treated with cruelty by various masters. Escapes with his mother but gets caught in a blinding snowstorm. His mother protects him from the ravages of the storm, but freezes to death. (This scene is guaranteed to rip your heartstrings out. You should wait until you're at least in your teens before viewing this).
    Nestor carries on, and eventually finds his destiny, carrying Joseph and a pregnant Mary to a stable in Bethlehem, where he gets to witness the birth of Jesus.
    Nicely done, for Rankin-Bass's stop-motion, but not always the easiest thing to watch.
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dude, as long as it's not Frosty, Rudolph, Santa Claus is Coming to Town, or Year without a Santa Claus, they all fell through the cracks. Which is a right shame, since there's some great Rankin Bass productions out there that have gone completely obscure, Christmas or otherwise. There's Mad Mad Mad Comedians... you thought you'd never see an anime featuring the Smothers Brothers, but you'd be WRONG. It was animated by Osamu Tetzuka's studio (as was a lot of Rankin Bass specials). Then there's one that was thankfully saved and released to DVD, Mad Mad Mad Monsters... the sort of sequel to Mad Monster Party oddly written by future Cracked founder Lou Silverstone (considering originator of Mad Harvey Kurtzman wrote the first film).

    But yeah. I only saw Little Drummer Boy once, and apparently there's a second one. Somehow I'm much more familiar with the Disney version "the Small One," but then again I think I have that on a DVD with Mickey's Christmas Carol.

    Speaking of which... never ever saw "The Stingiest Man in Town," the Rankin Bass take on A Christmas Carol either. And that one was animated by TMS. Yep... same studio that did Lupin III and animated for Inspector Gadget, Tiny Toons, Ducktales (HAH! A different Scrooge, yet!), and Animaniacs.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    And let us not forget to mention Rankin/Bass' feature films, like their version of THE LORD OF THE RINGS series (well okay, RB only did the first and third, Ralph Bakshi did the second), which are all but forgotten.

    For we are the slaves of the dark lords war (left-right, left-right)
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    A crack on the back says we're gonna fight! We're gonna march all day and night, and more!
  8. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    When there's a whip (whip cracks) there is a way
  9. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    We don't wanna go to war today but the lord of the lash says, "nay nay nay!"
  10. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    :batty: 15 birds...
    UD: On black burned trees.
    *Both: They have no wings, they have no knees.
    BTW: Last year, after Hobbit 1, my friend and I exited the screening room both singing RB's Hobbit's theme song... The echo from the acoustics left a fantastic memory. :)

    RB Movies:
    1 :sing: Flight of dragons...
    Flying across the sky.
    Tune, that I don't know the lyrics, stuck in my mind.
    2 The Stingiest Man in Town, I think I vaguely remember that one if only for the Jiminy Cricket-like character/narrator Bah Humbug. Yes, an actual humbug.
    3 Nestor and Little Drummer Boy air on ABC Family's 25 Days of Christmas... You have to wake up early enough at the start of either Saturday or Sunday's programming at 7 o'clock to catch it.
    Christmas in Killarny with the fight of leprechauns vs. banshee is the one they've kind of dropped from the lineup, but they do still air the one titled Christmas Cards that's my least favorite of the bunch in spite of a young blind boy orphan central character.
    BTW: The Little Drummer Boy sequel is one where he has to help one of the three wise men retrieve a pair of treasured silver bells meant for ringing in the birth of Baby Jesus.
    4 Mad Monster Party, I have that here somewhere... *Needs to cast a spell with my wand to organize my room. Although an RB special that I miss is the one on the story of Jack O' Lantern.
    5 On the subject of forgotten/non-aired specials... If there's one Christmas movie that has gotten royally forgotten about, it's Babes in Toyland. And I don't mean the remake with Keanu Reeves. I want the original with Tommy Kirk as the Piper's Son and Annette Funnicello as Mary Quite Contrary.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    My parents showed me how to tape that on our VCR when I was a kid in 1989. I still watch it every Christmas. Great musical numbers, always love Annette, and those talking trees have to be seen to be believed, lol.

    Yup, I wrote a blog entry about that one, lol.

  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    OH SNAP!

    I HAVE that one. They released Mad Mad Mad Monsters on DVD a year ago and that was the back up bonus feature. You just have to track a copy of that down.
  13. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    It was nicely done, but just thinking of that special gets me choked up.:cry:
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    On the subject of BAAAAD Christmas specials (cuz they're much more fun to talk about than good ones), know which one is pretty much the most pointless one I've ever seen? Sonic the Hedgehog's Christmas Blast. And it's a shame since it tried to blend AOSTH, SATAM, and the Archie comics into one episode. But other than some great hamming up by Robotnik, Scratch, and Grounder... it's just really pointless all over. The plot is nonsensical... and not even fun nonsensical.

    For those who haven't seen it, essentially, Sonic gets a Chekov's Gift from a silent Sally (understandably, they couldn't get Kath Sourcie, but they could have other Darrined her with Kathleen Barr... but they were TOO cheap)... Robotnik abducts Santa and takes over as Robotniklaus (which isn't too bad, if cliche)... and to save Santa and Christmas, it would be the most RIDICULOUS buttpull ever if it wasn't related to the ring Sally gave Sonic earlier... Sonic has to randomly run an obstacle course (in some very thin association with Sonic 3-D Blast, I assume) to achieve even faster speed. Now, the rest of the special I can take, but the obstacle course?!?! It didn't need to be in there and they set it up to force it in there when it didn't need to. I guess they needed to fill out a half hour.
  15. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    What about the Dexter's Lab episode in which Dexter is dumber than usual and shoots down Santa, thinking that it's really his dad in disguise despite flying around in a magic sleigh with real reindeer? And Santa talks like a Pokémon throughout most of the episode? And the family-unfriendly Aesop at the end being delivered without a shred of irony?

    Yeah, in hindsight, it's pretty awful, and it was shockingly produced when Tartakovsky was still involved!
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I never saw Dexter as being dumb in that episode... it depends on the individual kid, and some kids at that age (what was he again, 8-9?) already stop believing in Santa, and it's very common for fathers to dress up as Santa to throw their kids off if they try to sneak a peak at Santa leaving presents under the tree; I think that's all Dexter was doing, was trying to prove that it's ridiculous for Dee Dee to believe in Santa and that Santa is really Dad in disguise.

    As for the Family-Unfriendly Aesop, I always assumed that was something of a jab at how so many kids shows and specials always have that somewhat sugar-coated message that there's more to Christmas than presents.
  17. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Yet he believed in Dee-Dee's friend Koosalagoopagoop in an earlier episode. Why shouldn't he also still believe in Santa?
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It's been a long time since I saw that particular episode, but didn't Dexter actually dismiss Koosalagoopagoop altogether, until Dee Dee somehow made him real?
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Oh YES! YES! That's what I love about that episode. That cynical, yet truthful slaughtering of how vapid that message is in certain TV specials... oft times they come from characters who only have shows to advertise their toy line or video game, and then everyone gets their presents anyway. And not like in a the Grinch is so touched that he returns them sort of way. Just some magical butt pull where everything's good because of the spirit of Christmas.

    But then again, Cartoon Network Christmas specials were always off beat. From the KND X-Men parody to Sheep in the Big City's brutal thrashing of the commercialization of the holiday, to the happy Adventure Time special where we find out the dark, depressing origins of the Ice King. I'll say this though... the original Johnny Bravo Christmas Short was far superior to the full half hour special. It was cute, but it dragged on.
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The Johnny Bravo Christmas special was a huge deal, mainly because it marked Van Partible's return to running the show, I even remember the promos says, "Johnny is returning to Aron City!", which makes me wonder just where was Johnny living during Gary Hartle's version?. Either way, I like both of them, but the original short was a clever little spoof of Twas the Night Before Christmas.

    Mama was sleeping, you could tell by the snoring,
    After four time todays, Jimmy Stewart gets boring.

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