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And again I have to ask, how does my being attracted to men make me a good person? Of course he's passing judgment. He's labeling certain actions as wicked; that is a judgment call. And only God is allowed to do it. Not you. You can't just say "I'm simply affirming God's word." There's no loop...

I think the philanthropist joke saved it from being too one dimensional. I'm glad the movie ended up how it did. It's really not that different from The Muppet Movie taking on Doc Hopper. In both cases, the Muppets were challenging corporate greed. And the Uncle Deadly scene is one of my...

Exactly. And since it's the holiday season I'll add this Kermit quote that fits what you're saying:

Lol, yeah seriously. Though his motivation as I understand it is more isolationist, right?

Exactly. The Muppets brought out the best from the liberal point of view. True, very old story, heh. That's the problem when art and business have to combine. ;)

Yeah I don't think you can say the Muppets are anti capitalist when they used to do so many commercials and made money for several major companies, hehe. ;) But they would be against wealthy individuals who put money ahead of morality. :)

I don't even like calling it a "political viewpoint." They were simply protesting greed where it exists. I don't think anyone would object to that. :) Me too. :)

To clarify, I'm not saying the movie's a big protest rally or anything, lol. ;) Clearly it's not. I'm just saying the bad guy is very obviously a wealthy man motivated by greed. Even if he had other motivations, greed was still one of them. Not all wealthy people are like that but many are and...

Merry Christmas to you too. And the Muppets have never been afraid to be liberal. You shouldn't be either. ;)

And that character's motivation is greed. And there's a reason it's so common. Because throughout history the common people have been oppressed by the wealthy. I'm not going after it. I'm praising it for exposing such evils. And this movie too. ...Are you going after it?

And movies never make political statements? ;) He goes out of his way to say he wants the oil under the theater. And it's a Hollywood movie. They're not going to use that label as a positive thing. It's ironic. People here are saying they dislike Fox News so much. Yet they're going out of...

And the constant references to his being an oil baron was irrelevant? Not to mention the joke that Kermit had been deceived into thinking he's just a wealthy "philanthropist" when he was really going to tear the theater down? Nowadays you can't pick "oil baron" as your bad guy's profession and...

Though to be fair, Ben Stein recently said he did not have any problem taxing the rich. He said there's no indication it would hurt the economy to do so, in fact it's been done several times before.

Many would prefer not to think about it. ;) Exactly. Fox News is correct that the film has a critical attitude towards corporate greed. And that's a good thing.

Well, Piggy does call Kermit "hubby" during their 30th anniversary special. For me that's always been enough, hehe.

There's not a ton of people I'd be interested in seeing, but after the film I would recommend Jim Parsons, lol.

I disagree somewhat. True, environmentalism isn't the main goal of the film, but it's clearly implied several times that he wants to destroy the theater for oil profits. Even if they had kept his childhood plotline in tact, the fact that he's an oil baron wouldn't suddenly become irrelevant to...

Oh I know they have problems. I just wanted to point out that they exist at all. ;)

The bad guy's motivated by profit. Are we pretending that didn't happen? Guys, how can we complain about the right wing media if we're working so hard to say the Muppets would never take a stand on issues like oil or corporate greed?

Well actually there are a few channels that get that label. ;)