The Bible and Love and Christians

[beaker]

Religion is about faith and doesn't claim to be about facts. Conspiracy theories are about theories masquerading as facts. I'm not trying to be rude, honestly, but you asked.

Plus a political view is more like, "I think the taxes should be raised." But to say "I think the US did 9/11" is not a viewpoint. It's either true or not true.

I've already said several times that the US has been at fault as well, including before 9/11. Doesn't mean there haven't also been terrorist attacks on the US. In fact it makes sense that there was, considering our foreign policy (not that we "deserved" it. Just saying it makes sense that there would be repercussions).

Again, just because we have been wrong, doesn't make the other side right. Life is more complicated than that. Sometimes both sides are wrong. And yes as RedPiggy said, it's not that surprising that the buildings were brought down so easily, from a structural standpoint.

But that's not my point at all. I'm not at all siding with the "terrorists" or insurgents or Islamawhatever. **** I can prove that the Islamists are funded by the same Arab elite who get billions from Washington. General Mike Mullin, the head of the darn military just said yesterday he thinks Pakistan is behind the Taliban attacks. And I don't think he's a conspiracy theorist. I'm saying what people internally in the US intelligence are saying: America has been suckered.

I don't believe "America" was behind 9/11. I never said that. I do believe bin Laden and al Qaeda are clearly puppets of a much larger force. **** you believe in all that devil stuff right? We clearly have these Illuminati type cults behind the scenes. Hitler was big into that stuff.

And I go by facts. I go by both a contextual reading of history and all available facts and sourced evidence. I don't just willy nilly believe in conspiracy theories or just anything.

Also the whole "we need to be afraid of terrorism" is the sort of goofy Mccarthy era slapstick that's been over parrotted and used to throw billions down fleecing bridge to nowhere projects...as well as create unnecessary fear and hatred. There is no real terror threat in America(other than maybe white right wing christian militants). Its a hoax. What darn terror attacks have there been in America since 9/11? A guy trying to light his underwear on fire? I mean come on. I dont even know if there even is or ever was an "al Qaeda". Heck most those bin Laden videos looked faked.

So yeah Im not saying the US policy is bad, so therefore its ok for the Islamists to suicide bomb US soldiers. (Tho I wonder, if US invaded and we as people resisted would we be considered terrorist insurgents?)
Like you Im saying the whole enchilada is rotten.

 

[beaker]

Kids KNOW how deep down bullying hurts... thing is they don't care. Actually, they rather like causing harm to others. And I don't care if it's comping with their own abuse at home or if they're just spoiled Eric Cartman types, they're complete sociopaths. They WANT to spread hate and misery, and it doesn't matter the excuse, they just want someone to feel pain so they can laugh at it. As Dr. Robotnik once said "Happiness is so much better when it's based on the misery of others."

I will say I have problems with the "It gets better" mantra... often times, it doesn't! I was told that numerous times during my miserable middle school and high school years... and all that did was make me dream too big, causing me to become angry, bitter, and frustrated when I found out I can't achieve anything. Tell you the truth, I'm more angry and resentful now than when I was going through that crap. You would NOT like the stuff I mutter to myself sometimes.

But here's the thing... why is it if one of the bullied kids actually snap and do something, they send the psychiatrists after them and not the sociopaths that LOVE to drive innocent, loving people into that state? Why was this not looked at as torture, not unlike the signs of killing small animals gruesomely leading to serial killers or rapists? To me, there's NO difference between someone beating someone up because they're different or weak or worst of all just transferred into another school than there is the sick jackenapes that microwave live cats and put it up on Youtube.

Wow, its good I don't go on youtube that often!

I was systematically harassed, attacked, spit on, made fun of and generally tormented kindergarten(1983) through senior year(1996) Mostly for being asian, but also for being poor or being perceived as weak. Kids always called me "dumb", which is funny as my acumen runs circles around those people now. I want good for people, but I wonder if little bullies grow to be big bullies.

But I'm loving my life now and the future. I've never been more creative, independent and happy...least not in a long time. How many of these bullies are drug addicted, or stuck in deadend jobs and marriages?

I will say while I can see the impetus and causality of situations, I can never take the position of "well so in so was abused". I don't believe even the most unspeakable abuse someone suffers can justify their actions in harming someone else, as psychiatists on the stand will try and claim. Some people tho are just born psychopaths. As the Christians would say "no soul". Some are shaped that way through no love, neglect, violence..and sadly it's hard to shake that out of them even with all the love in the world. I believe as much as I am for compassion, sometimes the safely of the public is more important than coddling sociopaths.

I hate hate hate(HATE!) the idea of pleasure out of someone else's misery. I mean now and then my friends and I will joke around with eachother, like if someone is having a bad hair day or something silly. But that's the extent of it. I don't even know if I wanna watch that Charlie Sheen Comedy Roast even if most the jokes are what he's brought on. Just the climate of getting jollies from other's expenses rubs me the wrong way

 

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I'm not at all siding with the "terrorists" or insurgents or Islamawhatever.

I definitely never meant that.

you believe in all that devil stuff right?

No actually, I don't, heh.

Also the whole "we need to be afraid of terrorism" is the sort of goofy Mccarthy era slapstick

I could say the same about Illuminati rumors.

There is no real terror threat in America(other than maybe white right wing christian militants).

Um, so it's only true if it involves Christians? Thanks....

 

[Drtooth]

But I'm loving my life now and the future. I've never been more creative, independent and happy...least not in a long time. How many of these bullies are drug addicted, or stuck in deadend jobs and marriages?

Then again, how many bullies are actually successful? I'm glad I never see any of those doofencraps again... though I think I had an unidentified run if with one of them at a TRU... dead end marriage and child? Didn't look like he was unhappy. I really want to be the guy to let everything go and move on... but I'm struggling at the bottom and a victim of everything that everyone else is a victim of currently.

I will say while I can see the impetus and causality of situations, I can never take the position of "well so in so was abused". I don't believe even the most unspeakable abuse someone suffers can justify their actions in harming someone else, as psychiatists on the stand will try and claim. Some people tho are just born psychopaths. As the Christians would say "no soul". Some are shaped that way through no love, neglect, violence..and sadly it's hard to shake that out of them even with all the love in the world. I believe as much as I am for compassion, sometimes the safely of the public is more important than coddling sociopaths.

I hate hate hate(HATE!) the idea of pleasure out of someone else's misery. I mean now and then my friends and I will joke around with eachother, like if someone is having a bad hair day or something silly. But that's the extent of it. I don't even know if I wanna watch that Charlie Sheen Comedy Roast even if most the jokes are what he's brought on. Just the climate of getting jollies from other's expenses rubs me the wrong way

I don't think I'd ever believe that ANY one that bugged me (except for one little bzzzztrrrd who was a victim of bullying so bad he decided to become one) was from a broken home or felt insecure. I just think they were all spoiled little brat Eric Cartmen types who's parents either encouraged or ignored their bad behavior. Any time I called them on it, their parents acted innocent and the little poop eaters went off scott free.

But happiness from the misery of others, even if they deserve it, is no way to be happy. Everything's a cycle of screaming, and someone abuses someone for no reason, leading it to spread like a plague. Then they watch reality shows to see people destroy themselves on television no matter how "inspiring" the shows make themselves out to look like, like The Biggest Loser. As for Charlie... he kinda invites that sort of toxic behavior. I feel sorry for him to an extent, but some of it's his own doing.

So yeah Im not saying the US policy is bad, so therefore its ok for the Islamists to suicide bomb US soldiers. (Tho I wonder, if US invaded and we as people resisted would we be considered terrorist insurgents?)
Like you Im saying the whole enchilada is rotten.

You know what really bugs the crap out of me? How far right "Christian" groups pretend to care about Israel (even though they often speak out against Jews) to the point where any time someone in their government does something just as bad as the Palestinians do they rush to the Israeli government's defense to ulterior motives. Some of it's political, clearly.. but then here's the part that bugs me... deep down, they want to save that portion of the world so they can follow some sci-fi/fantasy movie style prophecy about The Rapture.

Now, before my words are taken out of context, I have all and every side in that whole mess EXCEPT the young people who realize how counter productive that whole mess is and just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace. I don't like how the US handles the situation, I HATE how MahMood Makkawakkawakkadoo of Iran keeps saying "Yo Mama's So fat..." "The Holocaust didn't exist." That's the rotten enchilada. There IS something up somewhere that's just not right.

 

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You know what really bugs the crap out of me? How far right "Christian" groups pretend to care about Israel (even though they often speak out against Jews)

I agree. But then I also wonder why in turn the Democrats seem to be distancing themselves from Israel?

 

[Drtooth]

I agree. But then I also wonder why in turn the Democrats seem to be distancing themselves from Israel?

Here's the thing...

Reps say "Oh yeah, we care about your country" to get the Jew vote...

Dems say that to the other side to get the Muslim vote.

Say what you will to get votes = Politics.

Both sides commit the same atrocities to their own people (I'm starting to think their leaders are in cahoots or something) and people just take sides. Both sides are victims, but of each other and old idiotic biblical prophecies they're to thick headed to realize apply to BOTH of them at once.

People use religion as an excuse to do whatever they want and sucker religious people to get involved when it's all about money, power and control.

Um, so it's only true if it involves Christians? Thanks....

Any religion can be manipulated into a war machine by those who want power and glory. I find Christians unfairly persecuted, sure... but that doesn't mean there aren't dangerous ones. Not every vegan is a PETA wacko, not every PETA wacko represents vegans. Militant Christians are just as dangerous as militant fill in the blank religions, and one religion isn't so much more special than any other as to ignore nationalists or terrorists. And we must remember, like all those terrible, clumsy, botched terrorist attacks we've seen recently are just poseurs claiming to speak for that religion when chances are, they didn't even read past the printer's copyright date on their religious text.

That guy who attacked Norway or Sweden or whatever... that was a "Christian" terrorist. He doesn't speak for you, me or anyone else. He doesn't speak for Christ. he's a lone nut job that read something that made him such a poseur. I'm not denying much of the "Islamist" terrorists exist... but the ones that do clearly are (insert Winnie the Pooh "poo Poo clock" sound effect here). They are no different from unbalanced mental patients that claim Jesus wanted to sever someone's head off when they testify in court. Christians, Jews, Muslims, and the rest shouldn't be lumped in with unbalanced individuals who claim to be that, but people like that sadly exist.

 

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Here's the thing...

Reps say "Oh yeah, we care about your country" to get the Jew vote...

Dems say that to the other side to get the Muslim vote.

Say what you will to get votes = Politics.

Yup, pretty much.

Any religion can be manipulated into a war machine by those who want power and glory.

I do get that. I just found it interesting that there can't possibly be a terrorist threat from anyone else, but from Christians, definitely. Double standard again. (I know you weren't the one saying it).

 

[Drtooth]

Of course, I personally agree those ones are a more instant threat because they're closer and the media doesn't use them as scare tactics to watch the news report on them.

 

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Of course, I personally agree those ones are a more instant threat because they're closer and the media doesn't use them as scare tactics to watch the news report on them.

Proximity and lack of media coverage. That's all that we need to find a group guilty these days, eh? Let me know how that works out...

And as a Christian I'm just supposed to grin and bear it, right? Again, thanks...

 

[beaker]

I definitely never meant that.

No actually, I don't, heh.

I could say the same about Illuminati rumors.

Um, so it's only true if it involves Christians? Thanks....

Mcveigh, Eric Rudolf, and a zillion other gun/bomb/terror attacks since the 1990's have happened in America. And I said far right Christian "patriots" just like I'm sure you mean Islamist militants instead of average Muslims. You keep insisting there's some big scary "terrorist" threat(I'm guessing you mean Islamic terrorism) to Americans, yet other than 9/11 what threat has been shown? FBI sting entrapments? False reports? Hyped terror threats? Not a conspiracy theory my friend.

And uh, again why is it we have had countless attacks by far right white Christian males in America(seriously, I can name a hundred or so high profile cases) from 1995-2011
yet people like you just harp on this "Islamo terror" threat?

A large bomb explodes in downtown Oslo Norway, causing widespread damage to the government buildings and killing 7, wounding many more. A short time later 70 teens are gunned down. Everyone assumed it was the work of Muslim extremists. In reality it was the work of a Christian supremist right winger who did it out of hate for Muslims and what he saw as socialist Muslim appeasers. This bias toward painting terrorism as a Muslim thing is ridiculous, and Im sorry...Im not with you in wanting people to "take the terror threat seriously", when there is no terror threat other than the manufactured hoax the government uses to scare people(TSA at airports and other big brother measures)