The Bible and Love and Christians

[beaker]

So you guys gotten a chance to see this Rick Perry guy? I now officially apologize for all the criticism I gave to Bush and Obama. Rick Perry seems genuinely like a fundie mega-fascist...even my zealous Christian friends are scared of Rick Perry and his Tea Party minions. Perry says he wants to federally mandate marriage=man and woman, wants to outlaw all abortion providers, wants to dismantle social security and comes off sounding like he wants to tear down separation of church and state.

It doesn't surprise me Jim Parsons is gay. He just had that vibe when I first saw Sheldon on BBT. As did Andy Dick...though Im surprised Jon Cryer is married to a woman.
And NPH plays a super jerk womanizer in HIMYM, so it's interesting how he doesn't have a typical gay vibe.

Btw, I now officially HATE Conan O'brien. What a total doop-bag jerkface he was to Cher's transgendered daughter.

 

[RedPiggy]

Imagine having to live in the same state as him. Ugh.

I mean, the looney suggested (as have other weirdos) separating from the US. Yeah. You try that. I know Texas has worked hard to banish anyone the TP'ers don't like from school textbooks, but even an ignorant sense of US history should show what a bone-headed idea THAT is.

 

[CensoredAlso]

So you guys gotten a chance to see this Rick Perry guy? I now officially apologize for all the criticism I gave to Bush and Obama. Rick Perry seems genuinely like a fundie mega-fascist...even my zealous Christian friends are scared of Rick Perry and his Tea Party minions. Perry says he wants to federally mandate marriage=man and woman, wants to outlaw all abortion providers, wants to dismantle social security and comes off sounding like he wants to tear down separation of church and state.

It is scary to think Perry has gotten so popular so quickly. Though I will play Devil's Advocate here and say if the Democrat politicans weren't so hostile towards religion, they might actually get support from the conservative voters. I'm not saying they all have to be religious, but it wouldn't kill them to meet the voters halfway once and awhile instead of insulting them all the time. But they never learn and then they wonder why voters keep going to people like Perry.

As far as abortion, I think a more permanent solution to the problem would be to outlaw poverty. But of course, neither party cares that much.

It's all pointless anyway. Neither party cares about the American people. "Every way you look at this you lose."

 

[Drtooth]

So you guys gotten a chance to see this Rick Perry guy? I now officially apologize for all the criticism I gave to Bush and Obama. Rick Perry seems genuinely like a fundie mega-fascist...even my zealous Christian friends are scared of Rick Perry and his Tea Party minions. Perry says he wants to federally mandate marriage=man and woman, wants to outlaw all abortion providers, wants to dismantle social security and comes off sounding like he wants to tear down separation of church and state.

And the fact that people cheered him when he said that thing about having the highest number of death penalties. Republicans always complain about how everyone paints them as psychotic religious zealots, yet, they keep getting behind politicians that are. This is why I feel this talk of "small government" is complete and utter bull. They want the government to protect them from stuff they don't like... that's not just big government, but the biggest government there is.

What really bugs me, and essentially WHY I hate the Tea Party and what it stands for is that for people who don't trust the government, they sure as shooting trust the same Neo-Cons pretending to want backwards social policies so they can hoist more big corporation tax breaks, union busting, worker punishing stuff on the ideological vote. YET, Ron Paul is actually sincere about what the Tea Party wants, and would at least bring change to his party. The support for him is underground, even as far as supposed anti-government types go. I can't say I'm a fan of all his ideas (really... deleting the minimum wage? Why not get rid of Child Labor Laws too?), but he was sincere about the wars being a joke. At least he gets that credit. And as an idea man, he actually has a plan that isn't a bunch of hollow sound bites.

But Romney will get the nomination. No need to worry about Perry the Platypuss here.

It doesn't surprise me Jim Parsons is gay. He just had that vibe when I first saw Sheldon on BBT. As did Andy Dick...though Im surprised Jon Cryer is married to a woman.

Actually he seemed a lot more anal retentive and virtually sexless to me... but that's just that character he plays. But then again, Modern Family, the far more effeminate gay guy (the big one) is actually straight. And the Teenage daughter is in her twenties and the dumb kid is a member of Mensa. That show is ALL LIES!

 

[CensoredAlso]

And the fact that people cheered him when he said that thing about having the highest number of death penalties.

Yeah that was really sick. But not surprising; both parties are very good at cheering for death. It's funny to me that they think they're so different.

But then again, Modern Family, the far more effeminate gay guy (the big one) is actually straight. And the Teenage daughter is in her twenties and the dumb kid is a member of Mensa. That show is ALL LIES!

It is called acting for a reason.

 

[Drtooth]

Yeah that was really sick. But not surprising; both parties are very good at cheering for death. It's funny to me that they think they're so different.

The death penalty should never be a light manner. Extreme cases call for extreme measures, and if that's the way something has to be handled, again, under extremes, so be it. It shouldn't be celebrated. No matter how cruel and vicious an individual is... with the possible exception of genocidal dictators or very dangerous serial killers.... but then those celebrations mean that the suffering is over, not the life of a person.

That said, I've never in my life heard of a case where women's right advocacy groups go "YAY! Aborted Fetuses!" Again, I never felt that anyone's actually for it. They're just against restricting it. Restricting any rights, no matter how horrible they can be, is dangerously close to fascism. Rights need regulations and rules, not restriction. Gun ownership can only be enhanced when they're out of the hands of dangerous individuals and into the hands of responsible citizens. And I HATE the thought of gun ownership, even for those responsible. I'm no fan of hate groups, but they have free speech like all the rest of us. I'm not fan of abortion, but I'm a bigger antagonist of dangerous self mutilation of the fetus. Prohibition only leads to illegal activity, if you're a crook, you sneak in anyway. If someone absolutely has to do something terrible, give them somewhere safe and isolated from the rest of society to do it.

 

[CensoredAlso]

Again, I never felt that anyone's actually for it. They're just against restricting it.

Unfortunately I've talked to many people who are actually for it. And they remind me very much of people who favored eugenics years ago. And these are people who claim to be liberals. You don't have to be conservative to be a bigot.

Restricting any rights, no matter how horrible they can be, is dangerously close to fascism.

Except that abortion in itself is a restriction of our rights.

 

[Drtooth]

Except that abortion in itself is a restriction of our rights.

Yeah, some tart aborts their fetus, and it's a restriction of MY rights. I know what you're saying but again, please get off the abortion thing. Not every liberal believes in it, not every liberal is evil when they're not supporting it, and the only restriction is the lack of education of different alternatives. If you want to end something that you don't agree with, give people better alternatives, and they'll never go back. But IN emergencies of rape, incest, or that BOTH the mother and child are in danger, the alternatives are few and far between. plus, those who speak up loudest against it are also the ones who speak up about helping someone actually raise a child. Once the child is born, they could care less if it survives or not. That's JUST as cruel. If people worked together, why, I'm sure we'd have something that supports rights and supports life. We don't.

We're talking about the same race of creature that kills thousands of their own kind because of financial jealousy of other countries, right? Humanity does a LOT of terrible things, and some of it is perfectly legal.

 

[CensoredAlso]

know what you're saying but again, please get off the abortion thing.

Then no offence but you should get off the death penalty thing too. And I say that as an anti death penalty person. Both topics are off topic to this thread and if one is forbidden, both should be. Not just the one you don't want to talk about. I didn't see you complaining when the discussion was pro choice.

I'd be willing to stick to the thread's topic and not bring up abortion. But not if everyone else here gets to discuss all the other off topic political issues. That's a double standard.

 

[Drtooth]

Then no offence but you should get off the death penalty thing too. And I say that as an anti death penalty person. Both topics are off topic to this thread and if one is forbidden, both should be. Not just the one you don't want to talk about. I didn't see you complaining when the discussion was pro choice.

I'd be willing to stick to the thread's topic and not bring up abortion. But not if everyone else here gets to discuss all the other off topic political issues. That's a double standard.

I'm merely pointing that out as it brings out the point of the matter, Perry is an extremist. Loudly supporting either one of those like it's an accomplishment is something you do NOT want to hear in any politician's speech. I do get what you're saying though.

As I was saying, when it comes to separation of Church and State, everyone's got bunk on that one. All we get out of it is not being able to say Merry Christmas, thus making an imaginary crisis and fueling the anger of those who want church and state to be morphed into a disgusting blob of theology based politics and politically driven theology. Nothing productive. I want to see Church and state separated at the political level. No one should vote their theology before what they really want out of their government, no one should be forced to claim "atheist" because they don't believe in some politician's hang ups, and wedge issues that don't put food on my plate either way need to be dealt with differently. And above all, I want religious based regressive groups like PTC to be just noise, exercising their freedom of speech, but not being taken seriously. That's how we can come together, that's how we can work together.