The Bible and Love and Christians

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Normally I'd contribute to the conversation, but I've been debating with people on politics a lot this week (not here) and it's just too draining, lol. It's amazing how much hate there is in people. (Again, not here. Sorry I'm in a bad mood, lol).

 

[beaker]

I am concerned about the barbaric homophobic practices in other countries, but I'm going to primarily focus on the oppressed people here first. Much of that oppression is coming from a very strong, popular wing of the Christian conservative platform. I can do more in my own community to prevent suicides and loss of essential services than I can about someone being attacked half-way around the world. It doesn't make that less important or less tragic. We do what we can where we are.

Im with you. The GOP right wingers talked Uganda into killing gays through several years of meetings, but it's like we have to focus on America first. Thankfully the tide is turning in polls and in actionable maneuvering for gay rights even as a toxic and virulent right wing agenda manifests itself every day. Like Michelle Bachman's 'new deal'. They talk about Sharia Law? They are Sharia Law!

These nuts are against sex ed, birth control, Mexicans, immigrants, gay rights, multi-culturalism, etc. They'd say they hate minorities too if they were allowed too.

I did some research and saw a special on the rate of suicides, suicide attempts and extreme alienation amongst gay and gender queer youth in Utah as well as from Mormon families. Absolutely appalling. There's even gay teens living homeless under freeway passes and abandoned areas just to get away with the fascist Utah laws and beliefs. I really do not have much respect for the Mormon/LDS faith when they bring their money into my state and brainwash otherwise good people into stripping already legal rights. I mean, why is glenn beck and mitt romney so big with mainline Christians? Believing that God and Christ have relations with women on planets and all this deplorably false perverted teachings even to I as a non Christian is a joke. YET, the Mormons are the most hardcore conservative people in America, they have no business passing judgements on "lifestyles".

I applaud the media for the spotlight on Bullying, but more needs to be done.

 

[beaker]

I agree, because I remember that feeling being around in college. Bush made religion such a big part of his platform that people starting connecting the two, even in bad ways. I don't blame people for that to be honest, because it was hypocritical of him to say the least!

And let's face it, it wasn't really about his faith, it was about him getting the votes of that group.

Absolutely. Bush and the neocons are not really Christian. Neither was Karl Rove, but they strategized in 2000 to really push that angle big time. I've seen GOP strategists even admit that was the gameplan all along in 2000 and 2004, to really court and bait the fundamenalists and then wear a mantle of fundamentalism. So that's the good news...the neocons were not social conservatives, more like atheist/moderate Christian/Jews whose main goal was militarism and hawkish foreign policy. The bad news is that wore the mantle of appealing to the faithful as an exploitive way to keep their power base.

 

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Absolutely. Bush and the neocons are not really Christian. Neither was Karl Rove, but they strategized in 2000 to really push that angle big time. I've seen GOP strategists even admit that was the gameplan all along in 2000 and 2004, to really court and bait the fundamenalists and then wear a mantle of fundamentalism. So that's the good news...the neocons were not social conservatives, more like atheist/moderate Christian/Jews whose main goal was militarism and hawkish foreign policy. The bad news is that wore the mantle of appealing to the faithful as an exploitive way to keep their power base.

Ugh, lol, like I said, I'm all "debated out!" But for you I'll give it a whirl. (Again, I'm not talking about here, just tiring experiences elsewhere).

Yes you're right, I think it was a purposeful strategy. I'm not entirely sure why that was chosen at that point in time. Perhaps someone more versed in these things could explain.

There's even gay teens living homeless under freeway passes and abandoned areas just to get away with the fascist Utah laws and beliefs.

That's horrible, it makes me very sad. And I'm a little sick of Utah as it is with that polygamist cult...

 

[Drtooth]

As I've long been saying, it's the ruling elite globalists, or the "new world order" who finance and create all this chaos, warfare, terrorism, and get everyone to hate eachother. People used to call me a conspiracy nutjob. They don't anymore.

I think if 70 million people dont get their social security/welfare/vet/ebt checks next month as Obama is warning, more people are going to be waking up to the wallstreet agenda.

The thing that REALLY makes me sick is that we essentially have a president that's a moderate Republican leaning further and further right to get the ultra-far-right-to like him, and they don't. I swear... the thing that really annoys me is how he's trying to cave in completely into the demands of them and the uber-capitalists that have their fat sausagey fingers out suckling at Uncle Sam and the right STILL wants him to slash more bone off the working class. So basically, it's like there's NO Democratic party anymore. There's Republican and Super Republican party. I'm shocked the TeaBag people don't love the president for caving into their demands.

Im with you. The GOP right wingers talked Uganda into killing gays through several years of meetings, but it's like we have to focus on America first. Thankfully the tide is turning in polls and in actionable maneuvering for gay rights even as a toxic and virulent right wing agenda manifests itself every day. Like Michelle Bachman's 'new deal'. They talk about Sharia Law? They are Sharia Law!

But really, I'll take wussy lapdog of the oil industry over that Michelle Bachswine! Black kids were better when they were raised as slaves? Gaw! Can I borrow your bootleg copy of Song of the South? That alone reeks of the same backwards rhetoric they use to sucker votes out of gun toting nutjobs to vote for them.

The worst part is, that "Make me not gay anymore" clinic her husband and her own and run.... it TAKES MEDICAID! So basically a small government wackadoo IS taking money FROM THE GOVERNMENT! And half the other Tea bag politicians get the very same Farm subsidiaries they pretend to want to get rid of.

 

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But really, I'll take wussy lapdog of the oil industry over that Michelle Bachswine! Black kids were better when they were raised as slaves? Gaw! Can I borrow your bootleg copy of Song of the South? That alone reeks of the same backwards rhetoric they use to sucker votes out of gun toting nutjobs to vote for them.

Well to be fair, she has since said that she didn't actually say those things. It's that she signed some kind of petition or statement for a group that did say those things elsewhere. Plus she herself was raised by a single parent.

I think this proves that she should be more careful about who she associates with though. You have to be careful when signing your name to things.

 

[frogboy4]

I think the racially insensitive "family" petition speaks a lot to the kind of mind behind the anti-gay rights movement. All of that garbage comes from the same hateful place.

 

[Drtooth]

Well to be fair, she has since said that she didn't actually say those things. It's that she signed some kind of petition or statement for a group that did say those things elsewhere. Plus she herself was raised by a single parent.

I think this proves that she should be more careful about who she associates with though. You have to be careful when signing your name to things.

Then her and Rick Sanitarium made weak apologies about it... but they're still strongly against gays having rights, single parents, and pornography. Now, I'm not a fan by any means of pornography and it's a very toxic environment... but legalizing it violates free speech (remember, we also have to protect the free speech of Neo-Nazis and the KKK).

The same people whining about Sharia Law ARE imposing Sharia Law. Only with a clean white Christian name.

I did some research and saw a special on the rate of suicides, suicide attempts and extreme alienation amongst gay and gender queer youth in Utah as well as from Mormon families. Absolutely appalling. There's even gay teens living homeless under freeway passes and abandoned areas just to get away with the fascist Utah laws and beliefs. I really do not have much respect for the Mormon/LDS faith when they bring their money into my state and brainwash otherwise good people into stripping already legal rights. I mean, why is glenn beck and mitt romney so big with mainline Christians? Believing that God and Christ have relations with women on planets and all this deplorably false perverted teachings even to I as a non Christian is a joke. YET, the Mormons are the most hardcore conservative people in America, they have no business passing judgements on "lifestyles".

I really want to try to be respectful of Mormonism... but frankly, I'm starting to get more respect for Scientology. At least that's honest about being a hardcore money making scheme by a science fiction writer. I don't want to randomly hate a group of people, but the religion makes no sense to me. It was created by someone who just so happened to find magic texts from Christ that no one but he could read? I really really don't want to go into the other things that are just... weird and unbelievable even seeing them as a Christian (we have our own things that I don't get). But the fact that they want to restrict rights, except for the splinter group that wants to have hundreds of child brides (who still wouldn't let gays marry). It's very much a fine line between religion and cult. i don't think most of them are evil... in fact a very quiet group of Mormons greatly opposed Glen Freakk, who himself was a follower of a far right loonatic Mormon conspiracy theorist (name escapes me, though) who once ruled the church with an iron fist.

 

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I'm starting to get more respect for Scientology. At least that's honest about being a hardcore money making scheme by a science fiction writer. .

Eh, their honestly doesn't make me respect them more. I'll go with South Park on this one, lol.

 

[Drtooth]

Yeah, but I'll take Nancy Cartwright over Donny Osmond anyway... though I DID like him in Johnny Bravo.