The Bible and Love and Christians

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That's a VERY toxic debate with no winner on either side.

There's winners when we all work together to support both parties concerned.

Again, I say if anyone REALLY gave a crap about young life, they'd make sure that said kid grows up to have opportunities and give the parents a helping hand. With certain religious types, the only time life is sacred is when it IS a fetus.

But as you said, the liberal-types aren't doing much to stop poverty, which is a huge reason abortion is so prevalent.

Even one of my pro choice friends is against the abortion on demand culture we've created.

 

[Bannanasketch]

Doy... because the left:

Is too wimpy, pathetic, scared, passive aggressive, and over all trying oh so hard for people to like them to do anything important. Seriously, if it comes to equal rights, minimum wage increases, taxing the people who deserve to be taxed, helping the poor, educating the young, preventing getting involved in crazy international conflicts, giving the American public decent health care if they can't afford it, they FAIL miserably... but when they can take cupcakes out of the hands of grade schoolers, and pull happy meal prizes out of fast food restaurants they can do no wrong.

To quote some failed TV show, "I'll make fun of Democrats when they actually DO something!"

I am a conservative because I support the economic policies of conservative politicians and the facts show that when the democrats have been in control the economy has been falling apart. I believe in small government, lower spending, capitalism, lower taxes, and getting the economy back on track and giving the American people jobs. There are many liberal policies that I don't agree with such as socialized healthcare as well as on the issue of abortion. I also don't believe in regulating healthy foods and I believe it's up to the parent to decide what their child should eat. That's not to say that I want kids to get fat and that school lunches shouldn't be healthy. I support the idea of healthy lunches, I just don't believe it's the government's job to regulate that. I also see how the policies of the current administration is failing our country and it needs to stop.

That's why I'm a conservative and I don't neccessarily disagree with most conservative views. Though, I am split on the issue of same sex marriage. I support newt Gingrich becuase his past economic policies have worked and they can still work with him as president.

 

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There are many liberal policies that I don't agree with such as socialized healthcare as well as on the issue of abortion.

For me everything is quite backward:

Liberals supposedly support the underdog, and that should include both the woman and the unborn child. But liberals have failed at this.

Conservatives supposedly support religious values, and that should mean everyone having the right to easily accessible health care. The story of Jesus making the food multiple for all, that's what we're supposed to do as well. But conservatives have failed at this.

If we're in trouble in this country, it's all our faults, there is no lesser of two evils.

 

[Drtooth]

I also don't believe in regulating healthy foods and I believe it's up to the parent to decide what their child should eat. That's not to say that I want kids to get fat and that school lunches shouldn't be healthy. I support the idea of healthy lunches, I just don't believe it's the government's job to regulate that.

See, I agree on that.

I'd agree the "policies" of the president are making the country fall apart if any of his policies HAPPENED. So far, there is NO end to the big tax cuts that help the biggest of the big stay big, while not doing anything to help the little guy out. When he had "absolute power" he didn't even bother brandishing it. Over a year to pass a limp health care package that's easily repealed? That's what drives me nuts.

What also drives me up the wall is low taxes and High spending, which the last guy did. No one got up and said "Hey! how are you going to get financial support for the war when you refuse to have the big companies pay taxes?" I'm against pork spending too, but that war was pork. I'm not saying it as a hippy dippy peacenik, I'm saying it as someone who'd rather see them either spend that money somewhere mutually beneficial, or better yet, save it.

Here's the problem... the answers are simple. A period of low spending AND high taxes on those who are sending jobs to other countries. Take away tax dodges. You wanna get rid of entitlements? Stop giving money to big companies so they can do the job they SHOULD be doing anyway that they don't even if you give them money. How is GE not paying taxes and getting free money from the government to NOT create jobs going to help anyone? That's YOUR money they're giving them. Same with oil. You can't complain about 4 dollar gas without complaining that your money GOES to the machinations OF artificially raising the prices. Why should we reward people who are trying to crush us when WE need the tax cuts more than they do.

Simple taxing and not spending will get us out of this jam really quick. You can't make money if you don't get money, you can't keep money if you waste money. And I want the cuts out of legit stuff, not nickel and diming cheap political points.

Social issues are everyone's own business. Don't legalize, don't ban... just freaking make sure I get a respectable wage so I can contribute to capitalism, buy things in stores, and help the stores thrive so they can hire more people. Focus on the important stuff first and keep the wedge issues for when we have everything under control. I don't believe in small government, I don't believe in massive government... protect me from scam artists and poisons in the food and water, but keep your distance on my dang Count Chocula and Batman Happy meal figures.

My problem is there IS a solution, but neither side wants to compromise. I like compromise. Everyone's a little disappointed.

 

[RedPiggy]

Whatever you think about abortion, there still should be more alternatives. There are women's shelters that support the woman before and after birth without immediately resorting to abortion.

I just find it as a mostly medically pertinent operation which some people use in a very tasteless fashion. However, I agree that both sides of the issue could probably get more done if we changed baby-pumping attitudes, offered support for the kids that arrive, etc.

I am a conservative because I support the economic policies of conservative politicians and the facts show that when the democrats have been in control the economy has been falling apart.

I'm socially liberal and financially conservative. Neither the right nor the left know how to pinch pennies at all. I'd support "the conservatives", if they actually WERE, at least in terms of spending.

I believe in small government, lower spending, capitalism, lower taxes, and getting the economy back on track and giving the American people jobs.

I believe that libertarianism is a nice way of saying "moronic anarchist". I believe in neither small government nor big government. This is not the 18th century, so we can't pretend that a bare handful of people can run a country with our modern borders and needs. States along the southern border like to whine about how the government isn't helping with immigration, but if you actually HAD small government, they wouldn't be helping anyway. It seems like everyone wants smaller government when they want to do something illegal or immoral, but magically want a big government to clean up the resulting mess, kind of like a kid who wants his parents to leave him alone as he plays in the woods, but then wants the parents to save him from the approaching bear. I believe, likewise, in "efficient" spending. Demand necessities get taken care of, and save up for the "wants". I'm for regulated capitalism. Wesayso is what we get with unfettered capitalism ... AND it's hypocritical. Businesses argue people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps while whining about needing tax breaks in the same breath. Sorry, don't feel sorry for dumb people.

I also don't believe in regulating healthy foods and I believe it's up to the parent to decide what their child should eat.

If you're talking about forcing little Johnny to eat tofu burgers, I agree. If you are talking about making sure my peanut butter doesn't have E. coli ... I'm gonna have to disagree.

 

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I just find it as a mostly medically pertinent operation which some people use in a very tasteless fashion. However, I agree that both sides of the issue could probably get more done if we changed baby-pumping attitudes, offered support for the kids that arrive, etc.

We will have to respectfully disagree on the "pertinent" part. And I think abortion is much worse than just "tasteless."

But I agree with you that if we actually took steps to change behaviors and the support we offer women and children (and again, improve poverty striken areas), abortion wouldn't even have to be an issue.

Btw I also agree with you on the E. coli thing, lol.

 

[Drtooth]

I believe that libertarianism is a nice way of saying "moronic anarchist". I believe in neither small government nor big government. This is not the 18th century, so we can't pretend that a bare handful of people can run a country with our modern borders and needs. States along the southern border like to whine about how the government isn't helping with immigration, but if you actually HAD small government, they wouldn't be helping anyway. It seems like everyone wants smaller government when they want to do something illegal or immoral, but magically want a big government to clean up the resulting mess, kind of like a kid who wants his parents to leave him alone as he plays in the woods, but then wants the parents to save him from the approaching bear. I believe, likewise, in "efficient" spending. Demand necessities get taken care of, and save up for the "wants". I'm for regulated capitalism. Wesayso is what we get with unfettered capitalism ... AND it's hypocritical. Businesses argue people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps while whining about needing tax breaks in the same breath. Sorry, don't feel sorry for dumb people.

Red, you just made my day and said things better than I could have.

Now, I don't agree with everything the left says, I don't agree with everything the right says, but I'll always find something I can agree with on either count.

Libertarianism is another matter.

If Dems are the Donkey, and the Reps are the elephant, the libertarian symbol should be a fat kid holding a birthday cake screaming MINE! I actually tried listening, and all they can give is a bunch of historical factoids and meandering speeches that justify the fact they selfishly refuse to pay taxes. They don't want government help for fear they have to pay for it, and they want runaway pseudo-capitalism to control the country because... well, if you can't trust a bunch of wealthy people who would cut every conceivable corner or trade everything they own for a little more, who can you trust. These people don't want public schools, net neutrality... they don't want ANYONE to help anyone else... they say... HEY! let's let those companies that build cheap oil rigs and sell us cars with Twinkies for breakpads help us out.

Remember the rich spoiled unpopular musician from a couple years ago that flew his private plane into an IRS building and he became a hero? Re-read that... spoiled, unpopular musician and private plane. Dude was MOOCHING off the government. Everyone's whining about entitlements? Feeling you should not pay taxes IS entitlement.

And even if that stuff does apply, why do we bemoan welfare and yet give big corporations CORPORATE welfare? Why did we spend all this time crying about the bailout when we give massive tax breaks that amount to the same... OH... and they DON'T have to pay back. GE not only managed to work around paying taxes, but the government... no... WE pay them to NOT create new technologies, NOT hire people, and spend a fortune on PR saying "We do GOOD!"

Why should WE pay the taxes for the wealthy investors that make up science fiction fairy stories to rationalize the fact they want to cheat oil prices up so they can artificially jack up their investments? Why should we have to pay wacky taxes and sales and food tax hikes when we're not getting any more money than we were when CEO's continue to get record paychecks for running companies under the ground? Why does everyone think you have to be a liberal to want them to pay up for crap they profit over that we can't share the wealth of?

And above all, I agree nanny stating is BULL! But making sure that the food is edible, doesn't contain disease, and corners aren't cut to our expense IS the healthy food regulation we should have. I've said it a million times... I HATE Commercial Free Childhood with an intense passion. They want the government to take stuff away so they don't have to raise their children or worse... GASP... see FAT people. THAT needs to be silenced. Regulations to make sure corporations play by some rules and not try to gouge prices and give us dangerous materials that we can't even buy since all the jobs went to countries that DON'T like us, and won't thank us for pumping up their economy... Heck YEAH!

Oh... back to the religion thing... uh... did the guy say any specific time zone when the world goes phooey? Cuz it's 6 here, and nothing happened yet. I don't wanna be smug about how stupid they are until I'm sure.

 

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uh... did the guy say any specific time zone when the world goes phooey? Cuz it's 6 here, and nothing happened yet. I don't wanna be smug about how stupid they are until I'm sure.

Yeah I would wait a couple more hours, these things tend to drag out!

 

[frogboy4]

I don't believe the government should restrict the personal choices of its tax paying citizens. All options should be visible and accessible.

I know someone said something about school lunches. Well, the truth is that many students aren't given healthy options because of the deals schools make with cheap commercial food distributors. I always brought a sack lunch, but not every kid has that luxury.

As for abortion, that's an unsolvable issue that too often gets unfairly tied to gay rights so I'm not really going to address it except to say that nobody is pro-abortion. I think fewer people would have them if they were properly educated (not harassed) about the procedure. Many still would. In the end I believe that it's a private family matter and I'll leave it at that. I know all the counter-rhetoric to my statement already. The fight on this topic will most certainly continue for decades to come.

It's funny that our current President either seems to be too liberal by conservatives or not liberal enough from his base. I have little doubt that he will be reelected. He probably won't run on a platform of compromise like he did before.

I'm in favor of compromise in most areas except when it comes to civil rights, of course. There will come a time when the anti-gay pundits of today will seem like those backwoods bigots sporting confederate flags and campaigning for separate water fountains.

 

[Drtooth]

Yeah I would wait a couple more hours, these things tend to drag out!

Considering I grew up watching Boober Fraggle, Telly Monster and Wade Duck, I don't feel safe until I worry over nothing. I'd rather feel like an idiot for worrying over nothing than feel like an idiot for being overconfident.

But this is coming from a confessed worryholic. I literally worry that everything I eat will give me the trots... and oddly, I don't get the trots that often.

It's funny that our current President either seems to be too liberal by conservatives or not liberal enough from his base. I have little doubt that he will be reelected. He probably won't run on a platform of compromise like he did before.

I have NOTHING but doubt he will win (again, worrywart) because the loudness and the selfishness and all the toxic rhetoric is killing any chance for compromise, and compromise has turned into give in completely to a party that wants to Jimmy Carter you out so they can Reagan someone in who will make the same mistakes they ALWAYS make. The ONLY way he's going to win is if the right screws everything they've worked so hard to derail. I swear, the old people who are on medicare and welfare and Social Security just want to use it all up, and use Neo-cons to make sure we don't have any of that.

But I DO think there's nothing short of poetic justice that the Boogieman that Bush used to further his personal agendas was caught under the big evil socialist Muslim sympathizer's watch.