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Youtuber taking others puppet work and claiming as own

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by Frogpuppeteer, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    Hey guys i mentioned this in the frown thread but i feel i should give a heads up to a few others and the puppet community on this board.

    the other day somoene added me on facebook and yourube want to use my puppets in his show, as a i looked through his pics i noticed some pics of puppets ive known from friends here and online.

    few minutes ago i was on his youtube when i saw he was claiming this video as his own

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Fy42bVCfc&feature=relmfu

    not sure exactly what we can do but keep an eye out and watch your videos try to protect your characters

    i wish i new a way to block him from my vids so he wouldnt steal them
  2. Keeermit

    Keeermit Active Member

    haha - yeah I found him on facebook the other day and told him that half of the puppets on his facebook that he said was for his show were actually puppets I had built and I asked him to take them down - his response was " oh my friend said they were his puppets " needless to say they are still on his facebook. Also he asked me to make quite a few puppets for him - but of course he couldnt pay anything until he gets money from the shows ...... hahaha ..... thats the best you got?
  3. This is disgusting. Unfortunately, people need to realize that just because someone is a puppeteer does not mean that they are an honorable person. For the most part, puppeteers are kind, respectable people, but just like any other group, you cannt steriotype, for good or bad.

    Sadly I personally have experience with a less then honorable "puppeteer". Shortly after I graduated college I was asked by a man named Shawn Ayers to join his puppet company. I was hired as a performer and builder. I worked for him for three months, and he paid me a total of 48 dollars for performing (I performed over 20 shows supposedly at 12 a show) and he NEVER paid me for the puppets I built him. When I finally had enough, I left trying to take back the $200 worth of materials I bought and was never reimbursed for, and take back the puppets I had built and paid materials for. He stole all 5 of those puppets, locked me out of my workshop, and tried to slander my name. Fortunately, a quick trip to the local court house to file suit resulted in the return of all the money owed to me with interest.

    Two months later, I find he is trying to start up a new company under a completely different name, (both new company name and HIS own new name). He has taken advantage of several new puppeteers, including some good friends of mine, and it breaks my heart.

    So to make a long story short (too late) I feel it is my duty to warn people to be aware. Make sure you do your homework and check someone out. Just because they claim to be a puppeteer does not by ANY means mean that they are a good person.

    Thanks for bringing this to the community's attention Frogpuppeteer! And I invite anyone else to share their stories and help educate us all!
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeaaahh... there's another puppeteer Joseph guy out there... Scarbrough I believe... he's, like, at least ten times better than this guy is... I think...

    :halo:
  5. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    i noticed that and i first i thought he just bought them...he is local to me so i wonder if he has contacted to few local puppeteers around here
  6. crazy chris

    crazy chris Well-Known Member

    i was a mixtape dj for 15 years before entering the world of puppetry professionally...and sadly this type of shady activity happened to me as a dj... a guy stole my dj name (forgiveable offense) but then began stealing OTHER dj's mixes and posting them as his own...

    the splashback then effected me... because i would check comment sections for MY mixtapes and people would say... HEY...AINT THAT THE GUY WHO'S ALWAYS STEALING PEOPLES MIXES??

    uggggh... it ruined my dj name for months to come until enough of my fans spread the truth around the mixtape community...

    moral of the story...theres a few truly creative talented people in the world...and then theres a buncha guys like this one who WANT to be talented...but they want it the EASY WAY... without effort...so they just steal from the TRUE creators

    cc
  7. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    wow, I learn something new everyday

    its a though call, he could very well think he isnt doing anything "wrong" , but at the end of the day he sorta is...i dont know him personally so i cant say..i do know since i brought it up to him he hasnt responded..i am still keeping a close eye to see if anything pops up
    also recently iv had a troll on my videos saying what i know he thinks is "right" but very wrong that my puppets "{insert character name here} will be in the new muppet movie nov 23"
    and calling each one a muppet
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Indeed... there's a big difference between drawing inspiration from true creators like Jim, the Kroffts, other masters out there, and people who intentionally try to copy work like the Muppets and such: just about every puppeteer here is pretty original in their works, though obviusly drew inspiration from people like Jim, but I have seen people on YouTube who basically do just try to copy the Muppets just so they can call themselves puppeteers (or even "Muppeteers").
  9. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    I just had a thought. I'm not too familiar with how these things works. But could we perhaps considerdoing something where if he rips off someone, they cold let us know and we could all go post on his board that it's not his it's (insert real creator here). If we do it enough times it might mess up his name enough that people won't even want to watch his site. Dunno, just a thought.
    Frogpuppeteer likes this.
  10. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    This reminds me of the two puppets I have built by Russ Walko (including Milo who you can see on your left!). The two characters were designed and built and sold by Russ on eBay long before I approached him about building similar puppets. I'm pretty sure he hasn't copyrighted them but I feel that if I bring them to television the way I hope to, I will be in hot water with Russ. It's quite a dilemma really. But I got to make sure to never be like this guy.
  11. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    may have to do that...i thought about doing it think i did on one of his vids already, but my good nature tells me that im being mean...sometimes im too much of a nice guy

    i think your ok, Russ helped me with my Raptor on the last freddy before he got his change...he seems like a very down to earth guy i send him hello's now and then and he always responds

    its funny cause in this video he claims to have made the frog puppet
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZB_zcACAkE
  12. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Russ is a good guy. When I first unveiled D'Snowth's first Brainstorm Studios logo, he commented on his characters' presence so I decided to message him and ask him if he wanted a design credit for having built and designed the characters used in the logo and he politely declined. I always give his name to people when they ask me about puppets, so it's not like I don't give him any credit.

    It's sort of funny on the subject of "stealing people's puppets," I'm trying to come up with my own design for puppet #3 from him eventually and I always find it too hard to drool over the puppets on his Flickr account and wanting them. :zany::fishy:
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    hat's why I design all my own puppets... I'm just not so good at actually building them... :o I HAVE been given some names for references as far as building is concerned, which is good, considering I have some characters designed that would require mechies, and I woudn't even begin to know how to tackle that, :laugh:
  14. Animal31

    Animal31 Active Member

    Frogpuppeteer - this guy is local to us?
  15. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    We wouldn't have to be mean about it. However you feel like saying it. It was more of an idea of quantity. If enough people just put even a short note like "This is frogpuppeteer's not yours" it might do the trick.
  16. Keeermit

    Keeermit Active Member

    haha too funny - I made the Frog and the other puppet in that video.....
  17. Keeermit

    Keeermit Active Member

    ok - i just asked him to take everything down that doesn't belong to him - I trust that he will do the right thing :)
  18. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    Looks like he got rid of the one with your frog.
  19. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    he lives in Framingham not sure where you are but thats about an hour from me
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So, going through the thread again, and re-reading all of the details that's been shared and everything... basically, what this guy is doing is claiming puppets that others like Jarrod and whoever built are his own creations and such, he's not actually like copying videos and re-posting them, or blatantly stealing other characters or things like that...

    I don't think this thread really applies to me so much, but still, what he's doing just ain't kewl at all. Mm-mm.

    I think my only worry at this point is... oh, gee whiz... another guy named Joseph with a last name that begins with S is apparently trying to establish himself as a renowned puppeteer... that could be a problem, I guess... I used to have trouble distinguishing Amy Poehler and Amy Sedaris (both blonde comediennes with the same first name), and I know a lot of people out there get Kathy Greenwood and Kathy Griffin mixed up all the time... even Caroll Spinney said he believes the reason Labyrinth bombed at first was because that other "dark fantasy" movie Legend came out at the same time, and it too tanked, so he feels people were getting the two movies mixed up.

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