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Your Thoughts: The Christmas Toy DVD

Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by Phillip, Nov 1, 2008.

  1. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    Hmm... well, one solution might be to buy the VHS and then transfer it to DVD with one of those special players. I have one and that's what I do with old tapes.

    If you've never seen the special you might not mind or miss Kermit, and should just get the DVD. As for me, I know somebody who bought it so if I do get the urge I'll watch it, but for now I'll stick with my old, taped off the TV version :)
  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Well I guess you answered your own question. :rolleyes::)
  3. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    IF anyone (like myself) is looking for "The Christmas Toy" at walmart...DONT bother! I looked in 4 diff walmarts by and none of them had the dvd. All they had was the EMMET OTTER dvd re-issue! :sympathy:
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I would put it in between the two. It is for kids and doesn't have pop culture references or anything, heh. But it can also been rather serious and disturbing, and has a touching message and ending. Let me put it this way, I noticed that it was written by the author who wrote the Fraggle Rock episode "Gone, But Not Forgotten" and that doesn't surprise me at all, in a good way. :)
  5. Quesal

    Quesal Active Member

    I just don't get why they can't keep Kermit in these specials and give him credit as being part of the "Muppets Holding Company" like they do in the Sesame Street Old School DVDs and Fraggle Rock Season 2 in that Jerry Juhl tribute. Or why not just sell Fraggle Rock, Emmett and X-Mas to Disney along with Kermit and The Muppets. Maybe then they wouldn't have to mess with cutting out those Kermit scenes!
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I doubt that Hit is even trying to ask Disney for permission. This DVD seems like a very cheaply done release. Also, I believe there could already be a contractual clause aiding Kermit's inclusion in classic Sesame clips that was inked at the time of the Disney Muppet sale. :confused:
  7. Quesal

    Quesal Active Member

    well, if there aren't any bonus features on the Christmas Toy DVD, then I think I won't get it. I'll just enjoy the VHS and the mp3s from the special on my iPod
  8. Fragglemuppet

    Fragglemuppet Well-Known Member

    It's not the lack of Kermit that bothers me so much, (It's disappointing, but I'm used to it by now.), but the lack of bonus features has me more than a bit disgruntled! And not even a menue? What's that about? Needless to say, I won't be buying it. Heck, I could do better by trading with most anyone on this forum!

    And is this new Emmet Otter the same as the last release? Does it have any bonus features? What's the purpose, as if I didn't know, *incert J.P. Gross smiley here* of releasing another one anyway?
  9. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    My thoughts and views...

    On the lack of Kermit...
    I checked on this issue and the lack of Kermit is not Henson's fault. It's Disney's! Back when Henson produced the giant Emmet Otter "Collector's Edition" DVD back in 2005 they tried and tried to get Kermit. Craig Shemin (who produced the set and the awesome new bonus features) fought long and hard for Kermit - as did the Jim Henson Legacy and Henson Company. But Disney said no. Henson and HIT made every effort back in '05 to get Kermit for the "Collector's Edition" (even if that meant paying Disney for the frog's scenes), however, Disney would not allow it. I checked with some friends at Disney and they backed this story up. Disney's policy is they don't "rent" the rights of their characters out to the competition (Sesame Workshop, which is a non-profit, has a special deal with Disney -- and other guest appearances have other pre-arranged stipulations). It's sad, but Disney is the "bad guy" in this situation - not Henson/HIT/Lionsgate.

    However both specials here - "Emmet Otter's Jug-Band Christmas" and "The Christmas Toy" - are still very enjoyable without Kermit's brief appearances. From a historical standpoint I miss the scenes, but from a storytelling standpoint the specials still hold-up and are just as great. I would not cut off the nose to spite the face here - don't sacrifice 50-minutes of classic Christmas entertainment just because there's 2-minutes that will have to stay in the vault.

    On the Emmet Otter re-issue...
    As many have already pointed out, the "new" Emmet Otter DVD is simply a re-issue of the "Collector's Edition" DVD from 2005 (just in a cardboard slipcover with new artwork and the "Jim Henson's Christmas Classics" logo). HIT wasn't trying to imply that this DVD had anything new - it was simply a re-release of the content on the wonderful collector's edition DVD under Lionsgate's distribution (HIT's distribution deal switched from Frox to Lionsgate in the past year and the '05 DVD went out of print). So this is a way to keep Emmet on store shelves. The disc features are exactly the same as the 2005 edition (which are great and totally worth the money), so if you already bought the "Collector's Edition" you can pass on this re-issue, but if you don't have the "Collector's Edition" I suggest picking this release up (if just for the bonus features).

    On the lack-luster Christmas Toy treatment...
    The special is great (even without Kermit's brief cameo). Check this out if you want to see a classic Christmas special with lots of heart and Muppet fun. However this DVD treatment is quite a let down. I own over 900 DVD titles and this is the first one that doesn't have a menu! I mean it's 2008, how hard is it to utilize this format and make the functionality of the release more than that of VHS. How hard would it have been to create a menu (even if it was just a still image and text)? They could have easily put "play feature", a "scenes selection" section, and some "previews" for other HIT/Henson titles on there. And there are 13 already-produced episodes of "The Secret Life of Toys" out there that could have been tapped for quick and easy disc filler. I wasn't expecting a giant newly-produced behind-the-scenes documentary, but something (anything!) would have been nice. Heck, they could have even tried to pull what they did on the early Fraggle Rock DVDs and give us a bonus episode of some unrelated show (yes, I'm looking at you "Pingu"). But they did nothing here and it just showed that this release was unimportant, rushed or just cheaply produced. It's sad. You might as well buy the special from iTunes because the DVD gives you nothing else (except a box).
  10. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    It doesn't have a menu? I've never heard of such a thing :O That's just crazy laziness.
  11. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Greg, do you have any info with the issue on the cut Kermit scenes for The Christmas Toy? Did the Hensons even try to get permission for the scenes or was there 0 effort toward it?

    As for me personally buying these DVD's, I'm pretty sure I want Emmet under the tree this year. :D But Christmas Toy I'll hold off on, if I get it fine but I won't really be mad if I never get the DVD.
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I saw a copy of The Christmas Toy DVD at the store the other day, when I came back later it was gone (and I checked lol). So hopefully the means someone bought it, hehe. I would definitely encourage people who have never seen it before or don't have a VHS to purchase it. Even without Kermit, it's a treasure. :)
  13. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Well me and my BEST FRIEND (a girl and she has a CUTE lil baby girl) watched this the other day and she asked me "Stevie...where the H E L L's kermit? Dosent he ride a bike or somthing on here?" I told her the story how disney told henson/hit! that they didnt alow kermit in here and he had to be cut. So i popped in my old 96 VHS copy the one disney released when they had "Jim Henson Video" line back then..I guess when her and her sis were lil her mom use to pop it in at christmas time. And she doesnt have it so ...the other day I was in walmart and I bought the EMMET dvd for her for christmas. So its going to be her present! :)
  14. Rugby

    Rugby Member

    I totally agree with frogboy on this one. I was going to come here and slam HIT for the lack of Kermit in the special, but after reading one of the posts here, it's hard to be mad at them when it's really not their fault. I appreciate that they at least finally put what they could on DVD. I'd still like to try to transfer my VHS to DVD and have the Kermit scenes intact. But this will do for now. It is disappointing that the DVD lacks a menu though. That's practically unforgivable.

    And BOOOOO to greedy Disney for glomming up the muppets and ruining everything Kermit has been in. And why is it that NBC can get Muppets specials when ABC and Disney are affilliated? Aren't they "renting out their characters to the competition"?

    Disney, HIT, and the fans lose when fans have to put together their own DVD because of corporate greed. Quit ruining classics!
  15. Rugby

    Rugby Member

    Shouldn't this thread be in the Muppet Merchandise forum? :confused:
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well the Fraggle DVDs are discussed in the Fraggle thread, not the merchandise thread. :)
  17. P15JOS

    P15JOS New Member

    Can someone tell me if The Christmas Toy is available on DVD in the UK or if the DVD released in the US is region 2 compatible?

    I LOVE The Christmas Toy and would really like to replace my VHS......

    Many thanks :0)
  18. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    In the UK, The Christmas Toy was released uncut as a bonus feature on the Muppet Family Christmas DVD. Look around the UK Amazon and eBay, you'll probably find it for a good price.
  19. cabbageheat

    cabbageheat New Member

    I had forgotten about Kermit, so I guess his exclusion didn't strike me at first.

    However, the only thing I'm disgruntled with is just the DVD itself. It is of incredibly low value, with no bonus features and pretty much no "effort" on display. They slapped the video on and repackaged it. Whoopie! Thanks for the hard work HIT! And the inability to skip the "dancing blocks" logo, the Lionsgate Logo, and all the warnings leading up to what we actually want to watch, which was slightly gutted to begin with. And with no menus. . . this just leads up to a stellar release.

    Wow. . .
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well, it is a bit disapointing for hardcore fans, but for regular parents buying it for their kids who have never seen it, I'm glad it's now available. :)

    And remember, it wasn't too long ago that we were content for VHSs to go straight to the show without menus. How times change when it comes to technology. ;)


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