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Theory about Elmo the Musical

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by hehehe, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. hehehe

    hehehe Active Member

    I just posted this theory on SS Facebook page--thought you folks would find it interesting. (If you want to respond on Facebook instead of here, I put it under the "Elmo on The Look" post.) :) Here 'tis:
    "Hey, for all the parents and kids who don't like Elmo: the Musical:
    I have a theory here--one I don't think has been proposed. Here goes:
    Elmo the Musical IS Elmo's World--just at the next level. Think about it: Elmo's World was created entirely out of Elmo's imagination. He used it to explore all sides of basic concepts--frogs, shapes, birthdays, etc. Well, now that Elmo's gotten a little older, he's EXPANDED Elmo's World--into a whole entire universe. A MUSICAL universe.
    How do I back this up? Because some things from Elmo's World aren't COMPLETELY gone. For example, we still have a focus on imagination, we still have some counting and early math games, and--most important--we still focus on ONE subject.
    So, a more proper name for Elmo the Musical: Elmo's Universe.
    Thoughts on that?"

    So, what do ya think of my theory? :)
    Muppet fan 123 likes this.
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Well, the parents argument is that EW is structured, which is apparently what kids of that young age need when watching programming. Also, they like Mr. Noodle or something.
    Dominicboo1 likes this.
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I still say Elmo the Musical is SST's way of trying to capitalize on the un-necessarily un-necessary popularity of Glee, Smash, and other musical-based entertainment projects that just kills good music.
    CensoredAlso likes this.
  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Also, one or two people thought the idea of Velvet was ridiculous. I mean, didn't Elmo have Shade, which was like a curtain, almost, sort-of? At least Velvet talks. Door, Drawer and TV don't speak (English anyway) and all Computer had his dated "Elmo has mail!"
  5. hehehe

    hehehe Active Member

    Well, THAT I agree with--if the kids like structure, then Elmo's World is a better choice. :)

    Hey, I do too! I'm one of the few around here (apparently) who actually LIKED Elmo's World... but I LOVE Elmo the Musical. (That has GOT to be a part of the next SSL productions.) :)
  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I'll be honest, I'm glad my parents never thought that. ;)
  7. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I saw the Space Pizza episode today. It was pretty good. Darth Vader Chicken was very funny.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Structured=Formulaic. Structured also = Rainman freaking out that he's going to miss Judge Wapner. What EW really is? it's basically all the approaches Sesame Street takes to teach a subject shown at once all on one subject. Adult human actors teaching a subject comedically, talking to kids about a subject, showing a cartoon about the subject, showing Muppets talking about a subject, showing a filmed insert about a kid explaining the subject.... it's all what Sesame Street did naturally. Though, obviously the main show uses them all in a single episode to talk about separate subjects. it's almost like a bet they couldn't do a condensed version of Sesame Street in 15 minutes.

    Smash BOMBED. Glee's like the only thing that's still moderately successful, and let's not forget... Glee came out of High School Musical. So if there's anything to really complain about, it's HSM.

    Plus... let's face it. Elmo The Musical is better than all of them.

    Kids don't like structure. The parents want kids to have structure and routine for no better reason than raising a generation of Rainman/ people that freak the heck out if something unexpected happens.

    Here's why Elmo's World sucked in a Nut Shell. He didn't interact. It was all him talking to the audience and inanimate furniture and silly adults that are mute. The only time you have anyone answer Elmo back is when he's talking to the puppet personified subject. And most of the time when they're talking, it's narrating a cutscene of Elmo. Velvet seems to be the overprotective mother figure of the segment, and frankly, she's a lot more fun than shade ever was. OOh! Shade sticks sometimes. What a trickster. :rolleyes:
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  9. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Lol it already is. In the new show "Can't Stop Singing".
  10. hehehe

    hehehe Active Member

    You're kidding! :) Sweet! What's the topic?
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I need to check the various Sesame Street facebook pages, but has all the complaining about the lack of Elmo's World died down since reruns were shown last week?

    And why do I get the feeling if they put out Elmo the Musical DVDs that bonus Elmo's World episodes would be included (the "Singing" episode would be appropriate)?
  12. DTF

    DTF Well-Known Member

    Well, kids like a routine, in the sense of a bedtime routine or having a favorite book read over and over (my one cousin wore out a "Lion King" tape when little she watched if 2-3 times a day at times). But, that kind of routine isn't the same as having everything structured, I agree.

    A good way to explain how I see the difference is, overly structured is when it has to be the same person every night giving a bath and reading the same book and having the exact same pajamas and everyting. Routine is saying, "Guess what, Daddy's working late and Mommy has to finish doing the taxes, so after Mommy gives you yoru bath Big Sister is going to read you your story and tuck you in!" Done in a sufficiently excited voice, even the most insistent of toddlers will eventually relent and accept that, "Daddy isn't here, but Big Sis does okay, even if she can't do Papa Bear's voice near as well as Daddy."

    EW's problem was it was the same things over and over. I like the idea that it's his expanded unvierse, his expanded imagination as he grows now. There is, really, still routine potential - like a story it has a beginning, middle and end, it has a curtain he'll interact with, it's sort of Super Grover 2.0-esque in a way, from the one I've seen, where Elmo helps the penguin out and has to figure out how to do it.

    EW's problem is that it doesn't encourage growth. In with the bedtime routine is that idea that there will eventually be some changes - sometimes it happens in a motel because you're on vacation, sometimes Big Brother or Big Sister get the honors, indeed, sometimes it's light out and sometimes it's dark depending on the time of year., if the kid has a normal bedtime. (i.e.: a 2YO who goes to ed anytime before 9:00, and it's usually about 7-8 in our family)

    That's when you point out those differences and ntoe that it's fun anyway even if Big Bro has suddenly decided to put pirates into the Three Bears - the 2YO has no idea what's going on but he'll think it's funny anyway. And there's where kids enjoy the changes.

    Unforunately, when they put EW together they never did that. They never said, "Hey, guess what, let's do it a little different each time." Meaning interacting with different muppets, as many others hve noted, going different places, etc.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Because parents were using it as a babysitter, not as an educational tool.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Too true. There was only one time they made a significant change to the show, and it was very early on. The "Elmo playing with a camcorder" thing was replaced with the E-mails, and nothing was shaken up since. And I'm not counting when they have different Mr. and Ms. Noodles. The only other significant shake up was when Fred Newman came in for the mouths segment instead of a Muppet mouth making mouth puns. Actually, that was great. Elmo was talking to the guy who played Skeeter... and Mr. Dink... and the soundtrack.

    But it's repetitive and no fun at all. The writers did what they could trying to add in as much fun lines and references, but it just felt like it was just there. Though, when they did the Elmo's World Happy Holidays special and they had time to put in a plot, a very small, insignificant short plot, but a plot none the less. And it made all the difference.
  15. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    Can you believe someone told me ETM is horrible and annoying? That guy's not my friend anymore.

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