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The new Muppet movie: Next Year's Yogi?

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Frogster, Dec 17, 2010.

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  1. Frogster

    Frogster Active Member

    So I'm watching television the other day like a good American and I see the Yogi Bear movie commercial come on. And I'm thinking, Way to strike while the iron's hot, with Tron, The Fighter and Harry Potter movie out right now. It really doesn't fit and it seems weird, like when they released another Big Momma's House or Scooby Doo movie.

    Then I wondered what if that's the general feeling of the new Muppet movie next year? While the Muppets are universally adored, they've been out of the main spotlight for quite a while, and as Entertainment Weekly put it, "Been semi-retired for over a decade." The larger audience out there will most likely be thinking what I am about the Yogi flick: "Ummm... alright. What else is playing?" Since I'm even a member on this site I'm sure you guys know I'll see it but with the quality of the aesthetics of the puppets, the 'new' puppeteers lacking in their predecessors talent, and the corny, recycled jokes for each character played constantly, I don't think it's gonna do very well in the box office. Keep an eye on this thread, folks. I really want to be wrong here come this time next year.
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    This Yogi remake looks like unnecessary CGI coupled with unfunny attempts at humor nowhere near the original cartoon. If the new Muppets movie is like that, then yes it probably wouldn't do very well (and rightfuly so). These retro remakes all seem to have one thing in common, incredibly lazy, lousy writing. That is what will make the difference with this Muppet venture. Whether or not it will deliver I honestly don't know and all I can do is wait.
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One difference is that despite the claims that this'll "relaunch" the franchise, the Muppets have never really been gone, even when it seemed like they weren't doing much (around this time last year many fans seemed to think of "Muppet Bohemian Rhapsody" as a "comeback").
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well I guess the idea is that they haven't been gone, but they haven't been on top the way they used to be. So a successful movie would be a comeback of sorts.
  5. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Yes, this is exactly the sort of thread we need right now. Thanks so much, Frogster. :rolleyes:

    How on EARTH do you derive the crap you sling about the Muppets from the amazing quality, support, and adoration of recent projects ("Bohemian Rhapsody," other YouTube videos, even Letters to Santa) from not only fans, but the public at large (don't you DARE argue that the public did not eat up these projects) has been staggering. You simply cannot look at the response "Bohemian Rhapsody" received, the dedication, passion, and talent of Jason Segel, Peter Linz, Matt Vogel, and all of these so-called "lacking" performers, and the belief Disney has in this project (there is NO WAY they would release a film the day before Thanksgiving if they were not 100% confident in it--they hold the top three Thanksgiving releases of all time, they DO NOT take this lightly) and honestly expect to be taken seriously when you make such egregious, uninformed, and slanderous comments like those above.

    I've been trying so hard to stay out of these arguments... but when someone makes such ridiculous statements as this, something has to be said. I honestly cannot believe that comments such as these can come from someone on this forum. Jim Henson--Jim Henson--once said of the Muppets, "It’s hard to say how long they’ll live. I think this is something we’re waiting to see from the audience. If the audience wants these characters to live, they will, and if they get tired of them, they’ll go away." Obviously the audience does not want these characters to go away. The over 38 million viewers of the YouTube videos, the over 500,000 Facebook fans, the 36,000 Twitter followers, and all of the dedicated fans on Muppet Central, The Muppet Mindset, ToughPigs, and The MuppetCast are proof enough of this. If you need more, look at both two-page spreads in Entertainment Weekly, the most-read film-television magazine in the country, the ridiculous amount of notable celebrities clamoring to appear alongside the Muppets, and the sheer amount of excitement being shown by huge websites such as SlashFilm, Perez Hilton, and far too many others to mention.

    If you honestly think that this movie will under-perform with a huge cast of celebrity cameos, the extremely passionate and hilarious and smart Jason Segel, the full-force of The Walt Disney Company marketing machine (the largest film marketing machine in the world), and, above all, the talents and heart of all of the Muppeteers and The Muppets themselves... then there's honestly nothing better you have to do with your time than to be negative, unsupportive, and unfaithful. That is the exact opposite of what Jim Henson would want, the exact opposite of what Frank Oz, Richard Hunt, Jerry Juhl, Jerry Nelson, and everyone else once involved and still involved with the Muppets would want.
  6. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    The fact is that Yogi Bear is another in a long-line of "making old characters hip" movies. And they hardly work. It's not that fact that people will pass on it because it's Yogi Bear, it's that it looks like an awful movie. Disney cares about making this a success. They sent the script through the Pixar folks to make sure it was good! And they're already starting their super promotion campaign. Everyone will known about the movie. The Muppets aren't like Yogi; when was his last production? I don't recall. The Muppets are still in the public's eye and a new movie will guarantee that.
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Actually I don't even think it matters whether something's still in the public eye if a decent marketing campaign is launched. I would be interested to see what they do with that.
  8. Aaron

    Aaron Active Member

    Bravo Ryan! I'm glad someone said it.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'll take that over Underdog or Dragonball which throws out the concept and replaces it with something generic that NO ONE will enjoy. Yogi doesn't look like all that good a movie, but trust me... they at LEAST made him an anthro, made the characters sound pretty similar, AND remembered the concept. Next Year's Smurfs? They threw out magical Medieval setting for mundane New York, and based the whole thing on "Oh, yeah, I watched an episode 2 minutes before I wrote the script... all they do is say Smurf... I could knock that out in 20 minutes."

    Not to say I'm really defending that film, but it could be worse... much, much worse...

    I'm just gonna come out and say it... It's not that there wasn't a point in that, but really.. enough IS enough. I'm absolutely sick of people who just pop in and grouch about how "terrible" everything is. Jim's GONE, Jerry Juhl's GONE, Ricard's GONE, Jerry's getting too old to perform the puppets, Frank's gone on to other things... what else is there? There is no way to reclaim the glory days because everyone that shaped them is either gone or on their way out. It happens with every major property when they lose their creators. So, you're stuck with either throwing a sheet over it, putting in in mothballs, only taking it out for an Orange Juice commercial or something, OR you can continue the property as best as you can.

    Now, I'm not just saying negativity will hurt the project, but it hurts the morale of the fan base. Yes, Oz sucked... VMX was alright but not all there, and MFS had a director who should never have been one. let's not forget how hard it was to re-establish the brand after Henson's death... there was a real lack of leadership. Disney HAS the leadership qualities that Henson lacked (look how long it's taking to get Dark Crystal 2 and Fraggle Rock out there and they're STILL not even in preproduction).

    But above all, the likening it to Yogi, which was made CLEARLY because the Chipmunks movie was a surprise hit (NO ONE would have thought it would be a hit, not even the people who made it)... The Muppet Movie is a product of a ticked off fan with power who wanted to see a new project that DIDN'T retell an old story or didn't have some idiotic gimmick to it, so I'm sure he knows what we do and don't want to see.
  10. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I think that's very telling. I think you can people excited about retro entertainment very easily, all you have to do is write a decent script! But then they keep writing lousy scripts and people just go "Oh I guess people just don't like retro." Wrong. ;)
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I half agree with you. But there's a lot of older franchises that don't technically "continue" their property (that is, make new projects), but still remain very popular even years later. And it's because their best work is still around and available for people to see. I do think Disney should have been building up the Muppets past work all these years a lot more than they have been. Then the Muppets wouldn't have to keep trying so hard to recapture attention with new projects.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There are some, just can't think of them now...

    Then there's a bunch of purists who poopoo any new projects, like that new Start Trek movie. I'm not even that big a Trek fan and I loved it. Let's not go into 2k3 TMNT, because I found that a fitting regeneration of an old series... just... the toy company screwed up and forced totally idiotic formats on the show in order to sell figures they NEVER made.

    But look at the state Disney was in after Walt's death... how long did it take them to get back on their feet?

    Property relaunches are a crap shoot. You either get a proper one or you wind up dumbing it down for kids who don't care about the project either way. Look at the latest Pink Panther movies. If they were planning on continuing them as a series ala James Bond, they failed at it.

    The one concern that I agree was brought up is that there has been TOO many cheap relaunches of cheap stuff in the past few years that this may inevitably get lost in the shuffle. Of course, those are halfbaked, uninvolved, and "we can stand to take a loss" type projects. Again, the Chipmunks was a surprise, even to Fox, and we wound up with another string of BAD relaunches that didn't work either (like anyone cares about Marmaduke).

    But Disney has been smart with this one... a little overly cautious, and they could have done a little more... but at least they aren't throwing it out there with no publicity, little merchandise, and a who cares unless it's popular attitude. That's what worries me about calling the movie simply "The Muppets." Of course, they are pretty much as is, they don't have celebrity voices, they aren't CGI halfbreed monsters, and they actually WANT the film to be successful. A successful Muppet movie will lead to others... and unlike most licenses, they can always start with a fresh, unattached film. Plus, we have someone that hated the last string of movies, so that's always good.
  13. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The Beatles. Yes I know they did those two new songs in 1995, and fans liked them OK, but mainly what helped bring the Beatles back into the spotlight in the '90s was how the Anthology highlighted the prime of the Beatles work from the 1960s. I still see young kids who love the Beatles and it's because of the best work they did in the '60s, not because they did two new songs.
  14. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Active Member

    I totally agree. And it's crazy.

    Case in point: the hardcore Disneyana fans who take delight in bashing every new project or endeavor that the Walt Disney Company does, no matter how good or bad it is, and saying that the company hasn't been able to do anything right since Walt's death. Definetely the kind of attitude that truly can hurt a fan community rather than elevate it.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I admit I consider myself a purist, but at the same time I do have a mind of my own. If something is good, I admit that it is good.

    Just because some fans are more loyal to a particular time period than others does not mean they are hurting the fanbase. There's always going to be different opinions. A fanbase that doesn't have a little diversity can't survive either.
  16. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    i find this true and untrue, the Purist and more loyal of fan base sometimes out number those who enjoy any project of a particular fanbase, and in the end their negative comments out weigh the good and studios only read those. im not saying thats what happens with all those current movies made out off old shows but id say a good chunk suffer from this

    its hard to please old fans and still try to get a new audience and sometimes doing both isnt in the books

    im one of those who tries to find at least some good in the stuff i like VMX, OZ and In Space being some
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Sometimes studios need to listen to those "old fans" or else their project will go too far away from the vision that the franchise is supposed to represent. ;)
  18. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    when its a well thought out comment and review yes

    but ive seen many who just spew hatred just to spew without ever even seeing the movie thats based off their fave franchise

    a personal one for me is Turtles when TMNT came out in 2007 one of my close friends said it was awful and the worst thing ever just cause the turtles were cgi and not suits
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    There's people like that in every kind of fanbase. There's fans who get hostile if a newer project isn't instantly embraced by all. Fans are going to disagree and either group demanding that the other side stop is not helpful.

    But I agree that one should see the product first before truly deciding it's bad or good. And people should remain civil. :)
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The opening weekend will come down the promotion, advertising and timing. It has a great chance of success seeing that they're reassembling the classic magic rather than eclipsing or remaking it with special effects and gimmicks like Yogi or Garfield.

    The "Muppets Movie" has a great chance seeing that it gets the jump by opening the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and has very little competition. The new "Twilight" and "Happy Feet 2" come out the week before it. The only other slated competitors for that date include some sort of raunchy teen comedy and Sony Animation's "Arthur Christmas" about an elf bringing presents to an overlooked house. If “The Muppets” is a good film then word of mouth will take care of the rest.

    I also think the Muppet performers do a fantastic job, but there are a few folk who won't be satisfied. The Muppets have always been for the dreamers, not-so-much the naysayers. They usually suffer the fate of Nicky Holiday or Doc Hopper. Kinda lonely, but it's never too late.


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