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The Muppets may be in trouble. :-/

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Dec 4, 2011.

  1. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
    Doo DooDoo Doo
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  2. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Okay, now that I've calm down, I realized the best analogy I can make with this. Which also happens to involve another holiday season Disney release, granted one from 21 years ago.

    Now, I know we all credit The Little Mermaid with kicking off the Disney Animation renaissance that we had in the 1990's. But realize the movie wasn't a huge hit when it came out. Heck, on it's opening weekend it opened at #3 behind some Eddie Murphy movie and Look Who's Talking. All in all, it made about $84 million during it's run. It certainly wasn't Disney's highest grossing release that year - and even if it sold the same number of tickets in 2010 it would be around #15 on the highest grossing movies of that year, just edging out Grown Ups. But the movie made most of it's impact on the merchandise front those first few months. Every little girl had to have an Ariel doll that Christmas and a result, merchandise exploded even if the movie itself didn't set the box office ablaze. And then when the video came out, it sent VHS selling records that year. I anticipate a similar thing happening with The Muppets. Underwhelming box office but ridiculously strong merchandise and DVD and Blu-ray sales. Disney's good in that department.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I still don't see how a consistent second spot after a huge blockbuster that has an annoyingly large fanbase, all the while clobbering inferior kiddy flicks is such a bad thing. The buzz is extraordinary, the merchandise is doing well, and Disney no doubt has big plans for the Muppets ever since. It's the #1 family comedy in a line of 5 family movies (including October's Puss in Boots which is still playing and Jack and Jill, which thankfully fell on its second week)... it has at least 1 more week before Chipmunks and it's sure to be a contender for weeks to come if PIB is any indication. I'm sure it will get lost in the Christmas shuffle with Tintin, Sherlock Holmes, Chipmunks, that stupid thing about a zoo and whatever else is left. But I have a feeling it will sill place well after a month of it's premiere... much like PIB did.
  4. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    Me too. You guys freaked me out for a second there.
  5. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Sorry. It seemed dire when I posted it, but then it made many more monies.
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  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Think of it this way... the movie didn't cost 325 million dollars and only made 220 million world wide.

    You know what I'm talking about.

    It made up it's very small budget and then some domestically in a week. Everything else now is pure profit.
  7. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    Oh, its fine. I thought the Muppets were done forever or something.:o
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  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    THis may sound passive aggressive at this point, but I wonder how much of a boost Arthur Christmas, Hugo, and Happy Feet have from 3-D ticket sales. After all, they cost more. I hope the Muppets outclassing them is a referendum on 3-D movies. Though I do love to watch cartons in 3-D.
  9. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    It's actually intresting (and we of course are happy) but those movies cost more and the Muppets in higher in the box office. But also peple wouldn't just go to a 3D movie anymore becuase it's just a way for companies for make a few extra bucks.
  10. Wockawocka721

    Wockawocka721 New Member

    The Muppets will definitely find a renewed life thanks to this movie. The criticism has been positive and it still has yet to debut in different countries so it will make a good amount of money when comparing it to its budget. Honestly, the budget for this film wasn't that bad, so it's very possible we could see more Muppet appearances and possibly a movie down the line
  11. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    I was thinking the same exact thing. The film would probably be near 70 million instead of 56 mil if it were in 3D on surcharge alone. And I think Disney realizes that.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wish Muppet Wikia would update their Box Office page. They say it has 56 Mil as of Sunday, as in Sunday morning... only counting Saturday and Sunday Gross. It's about 60 something mil the Monday after. That's not bad at all... up almost 20 million from a week before. Still, I wonder if the other's are only that much higher because of 3-D or if the Muppets did better in spite of 3-D.

    Then of course, there's also this report on the merchandise...

    Muppet Plush are the #3 top selling Holiday gift right under Princess toys and Cars remote control toys. And another Cars 2 toy comes in after the Muppet Plush.

    The Muppets are fiiiiiine!
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  13. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    Well, no. Worldwide it's 60, but domestically it's still 56.5.
  14. robodog

    robodog Active Member

    I take comfort in the fact that while Twilight may have kept first place it will never have the heart and soul the Muppets have. The whole Twilight thing is a fad. It doesn't have the staying power a long running franchise like The Muppets has and never will. I'd call Twilight pure brain candy but the comparison is inaccurate. Candy, while generally not good for you tastes good. Twilight on the other hand is painful no matter form it takes. Twilight is more like brain castor oil.
  15. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    how can world wide be 60 if it hasnt come out world wide yet? doesnt get released in the UK till Feb
  16. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

  17. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yes! Why is it childhood destroyers like Smurfs, do much better than continuations that do the original childhood memory justice like Winnie the Pooh?
  18. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Pooh had a few factors against it. Opening the same weekend as Harry Potter of course killed it, the marketing was effective but on the cusp of non-existence, lots of theaters played it but theaters only had a handful of showings a day - with no showings after 7PM. It'd be easy to blame Disney but they did just about all they could do.
  19. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    looks to me like hugo could catch up to it this week :(
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    No thanks to Disney's bad WTP preschool shows (never saw book of Pooh and can't judge on that) and Disney's marketing since the 90's Pooh became a preschool thing. That's a real shame. The classic Pooh shorts, even the newer Pooh movies were brilliantly done. I'm guessing too many parents decided for the DVD to come out because they wouldn't take their very young children to that kind of movie in theaters (same thing that foiled Elmo in Grouchland). Plus, Harry Potter. And as great as WTP was, it was pretty short. 10 bucks for 90 minute movies, fine... 10 bucks for something that, with advertisements and short was up in virtually an hour? If I didn't relish the thought of seeing well done 2-D animation on the big screen as much as I did, I probably would have skipped it too.

    All and all, great film, tad too short, but I can't really say what they could have done to make it longer without stretching it too thin. And it was great to hear Tom Kenny work with Jim Cummings again (big Catdog fan here).

    Smurfs is an amazing anomaly, in so much that Sony was ready to dump the film in the August graveyard (Does anyone remember the G.I. Joe movie? Someone that doesn't go to Marshall's and see the clearance movie merchandise, that is). They had that little faith in it, considering the plot they settled on trying to Chipmunk up the franchise... and the thing is, it wasn't even the WORST plot up for consideration. One early draft was that the Smurfs were toys cried to life by a little girl. Basically the Fat Albert movie with something even less applicable. But Sony made a decision to move it up to July, and somehow, the timing of the movie was just right and it became a hit for some reason. It's not a great or even that good a film, but by no means as terrible as I thought... but I thought it was going to be a soul crushing piece of aversion therapy. Hank Azaria made the film better than it needed to be.

    Same thing with that crappy Gnome thing (though I refuse to watch that)... it was the only family film during winter vacation, and it actually did better in the later weeks it was out. Disney dumped it into a slot they didn't think anyone would see it (I'm not getting into the film's many production problems or that the film was a contractual obligation), and amazingly it did well due to being an exclusive.

    BUT there's no excuse why Yogi Bear did as good as it did. We had Rapunzel out there, and granted... the whole princess thing scared off boys, but it was just...ugh... I can safely say, Smurfs (ashamedly) had me laughing it up (at least with Gargamel), I barely cracked a smile during that Yogi movie. My Hanna Barbera fandom betrayed me on that, and if I wanted to see Rapunzel, I would have had to have waited an hour... I should've waited the hour!

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