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Recasts for Fraggle Rock movie

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by Princeton, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. Princeton

    Princeton Active Member

    Assuming that the Fraggle Rock movie is still on, let's talk about possible recasts for the main characters. Richard and Jerry have passed on and I believe that Dave and Kathy have retired for the most part, so I think the only original performers who are still on board are Karen and Steve.
  2. Collgoff

    Collgoff Well-Known Member

    Princeton Dave Golez is still doing the Muppets even doing Gonzo the Great.
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  3. muppetfan24/7

    muppetfan24/7 Well-Known Member

    Dave Golez is still around, but yep Kathy Mullen probably retired and Jerry plus Richard have passed on.
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  4. Princeton

    Princeton Active Member

    I'm glad to hear Dave is still performing, since I would imagine that Boober and Uncle Matt would be two of the hardest characters to recast. I just assumed that Dave retired since Gonzo played such a small role in the most recent Muppet film.
  5. theSHE124

    theSHE124 Active Member

    What?!? Gonzo never has small movie roles!! :mad: Something about him is always remembered! The second time I watched the film in theaters, you should've heard how hard this one young girl laughed when she saw Gonzo, finally losing grip, whammed Chris Cooper with a bowling ball! :crazy:
  6. jgidley

    jgidley Active Member

    I'd be surprised if Kathy Mullen didn't return to do Mokey:dreamy:
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Did you see the Ben Folds music video? Dave was there. He even had Uncle Matt speak in the opening. Gonzo got a small role in that one movie because that's how it was written, and they cut out one of his scenes.

    Guys. Stop panicking. Other than the fact Jim (who only had those 2 characters), Jerry and Richard are no longer with us, we'll probably get the other performers back. If Kathy is somehow unavailable, Pam Arciero did well with Liona on BTL. I hope they manage to get some of the Canadian performers who did background and insidental characters back. Other than that, we'd only need to recast Gobo, Pa Gorg, Trash Heap, Gunge, Junior, Cantus and Convincin' John (if those last two are even in the film at all).
  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah a little girl in the audience at my theater loved that part too, lol.
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  9. Beige Fraggle

    Beige Fraggle Member

    All I know is, they had better dedicate the movie to the memory of Richard and Jerry, although I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they don't. Remember The Land Before Time and All Dogs Go To Heaven? Judith Barsi, the little girl who voiced Ducky and Anne Marie, was murdered by her father before both movies came out, yet neither one was dedicated to her memory. That's just wrong.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Gonzo sacrificed on screen time for a great Brick Joke. They were right to do it.

    They'd no doubt dedicate it to Jerry... Jim and Richard would probably... but Jerry is a definite.

    Get Smart was dedicated to Edward Platt and Don Adams... had they made the movie sooner, Don would have played The Chief.
  11. Princeton

    Princeton Active Member

    I did see that video, which further added to my confusion: Uncle Matt sounded nothing like Dave.

    First of all, those two movies were directed by Don Bluth, who has proven time and again to be a heartless tyrant without an ounce of the humanity that the Henson Company possesses. So that's kind of an 'apples and oranges' thing. Also, the song that plays over the end credits of "All Dogs..." was dedicated to Judith's memory (not sure if that's actually written in the credits, but it's been documented).
  12. Beige Fraggle

    Beige Fraggle Member

    I don't know anything about Don Bluth other than that he directed some movies I loved as a child. What about him exactly made him a heartless tyrant?
  13. theSHE124

    theSHE124 Active Member

    I heard that the animated films Bluth did were rather fierce and dark compare to Disney films. I'm no expert on this side of the history, but I'll ask a friend for more info. :search:
  14. Princeton

    Princeton Active Member

    Bluth used to work for Disney from 1958 to 1979 and was sick of the ay the company was being run, as well as the quality of the films being made around that time. So he started his own animation studio and took a lot of the Disney animators with him. His goal was to find the happy medium between the gooey sweetness of Disney and the dark adult world of Ralph Bakshi and I would say for the most part Bluth succeeded... as far as the 1980's were concerned. The 90's were a different story. Some of his films (such as Anastasia and Thumbalina) were blatant ripoffs of what Disney was doing at the time, only not as good (although I do love the songs from both films). So it's a bit hypocritical for Bluth to be so adamant about making films so radically different from Disney and than copying Disney movies once the company became successful.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I think that describes his '80s films very well.

    Well I guess you have to think of the times. In the '80s Disney hadn't made its huge cinematic comeback yet with their princess films, so there was room (in fact a need!) for alternative animation. But in the '90s Disney suddenly owned the animated feature film once again and I'm sure everyone was feeling the pressure. Audiences were basically saying "Yeah we're OK with gooey sweetness" and if other companies didn't adapt they would fail. It's a shame but that's how cutthroat the business can be.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm sure there was studio pressure as well to make competing Princess films. Thumbelina was ghastly terrible, and I only was dragged to that because I have a sister who was young at the time, and by my own desire to see "I'M Mad." It's really a shame WB screwed the Animaniacs movie and dumped them to DVD because they didn't want to spend money on advertising... otherwise, that was their only theatrical appearance. And don't get me started on the what could have been cameo of the Warners in Looney Tunes Back in Action.

    But Anastasia was alright, I guess... it was slightly Darker than the Disney princess movies, but to this day, you'll find someone that swears it was a Disney film.

    But that point was stated exactly. Disney didn't find the princess niche for some time, making very experimental films like Great Mouse Detective... that gave Don more freedom to do movies about Jewish immigrant mice and dinosaurs and stuff like that. Not to mention the video arcade games.
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Anastasia just annoys me with its blatant disregard for historical accuracy, lol.

    Thanks, exactly. So I guess we should be thankful he even got that brief window of a chance so we could have these films today.
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Actually that reminds me; I had something of a revelation the other day. I was watching some of the 89/90's Disney princess movies with a friend and kept saying "fast forward to the next song" without really thinking about it. And I realized that for me at least, the songs definitely hold up, but I don't care about the rest of the story the way I used to. I guess they're just too childish. The big exception being Mulan, that movie is genius, hehe.

    In contrast, Don Bluth's 80s films still have a lot of intriguing concepts that would still get me thinking even as an adult. :)
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    This is getting wildly off topic, but...

    The princess movies work on formula, which Animaniacs covered (I don't even need to repost that clip, you know what it is). The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Pocahontas are the same basic story essentially (though it's most obvious with Pocahontas, since there's no singing crabs or teapots to distract you). Aladdin is kinda a princess movie, but mostly told from the perspective of the hero... it's just Jasmine gets a lot of screen time and backstory. While Meg doesn't count as a princess, Hercules is more of what Aladdin was sort of doing, with the girl character coming in much later. Mulan is a subversion, as the movie does deal with the concepts of the girl being sick of her lot in life, but it doesn't have any real romantic elements until the end where it's kinda squeezed in. Plus, said "princess" (I don't see why Mulan is considered one) is the action hero of her own movie, going as far as making the other action men wear dresses to sneak into the bad guy's fortress.
  20. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    And I still remember the entire theater went nuts during that scene, lol. The movie is so funny because it's all so true. ;)

    But yeah feel free to go back on topic, lol.

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