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Discussion in 'On the Web' started by Honkydory, Feb 9, 2003.

  1. spazyk

    spazyk Active Member

    would if i could but the Target store by me is really smalle and only sells the basics... Hopefully they'll have them...
  2. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Well-Known Member

    Theres just something that all you guys from the US are forgetting. The Time life DVD's can only be bought in the US not in europe. So the only way that the european fans can get their hands on those episode is not by buying them but to get the from a fil sharing program.

    I want to point out that I dont approve of this but if it's the only way to get it, so be it.
  3. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Actually, in the UK they have a BETTER deal. There's a VHS box set that has most of the same episodes as Time-Life, plus about 3 more a tape! I for one am extremely envious. ;) UK shoppers can check it out on Amazon.com.

    And I would like to gently remind everyone that owning every episode of TMS is not a necessity to live, nor is it a God-given right. So the whole notion of "we won't see them otherwise, so we HAVE to do it" doesn't fly with me. :smirk: Just follow your conscience, OK?
  4. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    Hey Tom, do you mean this box set? I've never seen it for sale online anywhere other than the HMV site. That's where I purchased mine.
  5. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's the one. Sorry, I thought I saw that on Amazon. Anyone who's interested, follow Scott's link! :D
  6. Chilly, the point is that the opportunity is there, and it's not any better or worse than trading copies of tapes with people. I agree if it's available then buy it, if it's not, buy it if and when it does. Until then there is no harm. People get oversensitive about Internet filesharing because it dosen't require the backbreaking effort to go and buy a second VCR and then take the time and money to buy tapes, copy them and then mail them. In THEORY, no one should even be copying things from the TV onto tape if you want to look at the extremes. Quite frankly, sharing the unavailable eps over the net just makes sense.
  7. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    100% agreement there my friend :cool:
  8. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Sherlock, I believe we've stated multiple times that the issue is NOT the episodes that aren't available for purchase. My last post was meant for those who said that they HAD to get illegal copies of the Time-Life episodes, as though it were a life-and-death situation.

    And yes, if it comes to that, even tape trading ain't exactly the most legal thing in the world. I adore my tape collection, but if Henson demands that no more tape trading go on, I would respect their decision. Hopefully, instead, they'll start releasing more of their library on video and DVD, and I can dutifully replace my copies with store-bought ones.

    We complain that there isn't more Muppet merchandise out there, and then we do everything we can to avoid supporting the Henson company financially. I just don't get it.
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think the only thing worse than these episodes not being on DVD is the people who take advantage of it for profit. Anything more than the cost of the tape, shipping and a couple bucks for the bother is disappointing. :boo:

    However, Scott provides a great service. He shares these (non-released) clips on his site for free so that everybody can enjoy them. Now that deserves a happy penguin! :zany:
  10. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    do you mean zany happy penguin????;)

  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Maybe we should have just named the penguin Britney and made Luke really happy. :zany:
  12. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    Yeah, as far as clips are concerned (because let's face it, I could never host full episodes on my budget), I have a rule for BSL... nothing that's commercially available, read: can be purchased currently.
  13. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    luke would have fainted...

    on the other hand................................

  14. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Shiny happy penguins holding hands. :zany: :zany: :zany:
  15. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    aww penguins holding hands!

  16. AmyK2402

    AmyK2402 New Member

    I was reading through the list of replies, and I was wondering what is the website where you could download clips/episodes of The Muppets. I'm a big fan of the Muppets and it's easy for me to download clips. Kazaa has some clips, but alot of them are of the same clips, just under different names. If anyone knows of any good sights, let me know! :)
  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I always imagined it was called Zany. I think that is a great name.

    :zany: :zany: :zany: :zany:

    Wait are those penguins holding hands?
  18. plucky

    plucky Member

    Not to revive a dead thread, but here's my thoughts on this whole thing.

    1) Time-Life is selling SOME episodes on DVD. 3 episodes on each DVD, I don't even know the price, but it is alot for 3 episodes (like many Anime series).

    2) There is no sign of Fraggle Rock being offered on DVD. There are some old episodes released _1 per VHS tape_, but that is all.

    3) The Storyteller is going to be released soon on DVD. It will have ALL 9 episodes!

    The results of the above are...

    1) I was looking for Storyteller episodes online a short time ago, but the news that they would all be available soon on DVD just made sure that I'll be running out and buying it as soon as it is in stores! I can't WAIT to see them again!

    2) As for Fraggle Rock episodes, hey do not air on any channel near me, and are not available in any real manner to purchase. I didn't get to watch them "back in the day" because I didn't have cable when they were on HBO. The only way for me to watch them is to find them online. I have been somewhat successful in this, and because of it would be more willing to actually purchase Fraggle Rock merchandice if it were available.

    3) As for downloading of TMS episodes...
    a) Any company that puts 3 22 minute episodes on a DVD is not using the DVD to its capacity. It is a waste of space, a waste of money, and a waste of resources for all parties involved. The Storyteller DVD should be a good indication of what CAN be done (be it on 1 or 2 DVDs in its pack, it is still more then 3 episodes). There are series out there I want to buy (Dragonball for instance) JUST BECAUSE they put 15 episodes in a 2 DVD set! I feel this sort of thing needs to be supported in order to show companies that customers like it!
    b) I've read some reviews that say parts are missing from some episodes? This may or not be true, but I want to look into it more. If I'm buying a DVD of a show, I want the whole show there! We purchased Muppet Family Christmas and Emmet Otter on VHS, and wanted to purchase them on DVD, but found that the DVDs are still missing bits. I understand why things are missing in these two particular releases, however disappointing it is, but are parts actually missing from TMS episodes? This would REALLY make me unhappy. Downloaded episodes often come from old tapes people made, and if those are from the versions that HAVE all the missing pieces, then they really are 2 different things.

    Lastly, if a complete set of Muppet Show episodes were released, in order, on DVD, with around 5 episodes on each DVD, I would walk out and drop down whatever they were asking (well, to a point, I don't have $1000 to spend on just that right now ;) ). Same for Fraggle Rock. I can't support an endevor that is "Some episodes that we think you might like, put together in whatever order we see fit, with maybe the right beginnings and endings, but maybe not, and maybe with some parts missing out of them, and oh, we'll only put 3 episodes on a DVD too!" Such a thing seems less to me like "Supporting the Henson company" then "Supporting a Media Company that is taking advantage of their situation". Maybe this is the best deal that the Henson company could come out with right now, but I will have to hope it is not true. Buying into a series that is incomplete is something I cannot do, but as soon as a quality collection comes out (like Monty Pythons Flying Circus boxed set?! Wow, that's the way to market!) my wallet will be open to spend what they ask!

    plucky - who hates the fact that DVDs are so cool, yet wasted by companies that would rather bilk the consumer..... (Blue Submarine 006 anyone? 1 30 minute episode per DVD? I think not..... if all 6 were on one DVD, even if it cost $50, I'd be happy to buy)..
  19. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    I completely agree with you that the TMS DVDs are not all they could or should be. But does that justify stealing their content from a website? If that's the case, what a person is really saying is "I actually DO like the content; I'm just using my griping as an excuse to do whatever I want with the stuff."

    I can't reiterate this enough: if someone wants to download the Joel Grey ep or the Hal Linden ep or whatever else isn't currently commercially available, I have NO PROBLEM with that. But when I've perused the list of downloadable stuff, someone's always offering the Star Wars ep, the Elton John ep, the Vincent Price ep, etc. That takes money out of Henson's pockets and guarantees we won't be seeing a follow-up season-by-season boxed set anytime soon.

    To answer your question about the eps not being complete: most of the episodes are 100% complete, including scenes that never aired here in America. With all the first-season episodes, though (there's about 3 or 4 of them out of the 45 available eps), they forgot (?) to restore the original openings. So if you don't want to buy them out of protest, that's fine. But a true protest, in my mind, doesn't mean downloading and enjoying the content anyway.

    Anyway, no death threats aimed at you, my friend. Just trying to make my side of the argument clear.
  20. plucky

    plucky Member

    Oh, I understand what your argument is, I'm just presenting some other sides to it, Devils Advocate is fun :)

    Let's move on to another discussion too that might have interesting results....

    How many people here have Muppet Episodes on VHS tape, be it from taping it themselves, or from trading it with other people?

    Now, how many of those people have gone out and bought all the ones on DVD that they own and watch on VHS?

    Now, true, the Supreme Court ruled that "time shifting" is legal, but I haven't read the finer points of that ruling. Is it still legal to watch those episodes AGAIN and AGAIN? That is no longer truely "time shifting". Trading tapes and dubbing them for others also is just the same as downloading them via. the internet.

    Now, lets take the example of someone who HAS all episodes of the Muppet Show on VHS, and they taped them off the TV themselves. Depending on if one thinks it is fine for that person to keep and enjoy those tapes, even though some are available for purchase now, can that person also download them from the internet?
    What if a person OWNS a CD, and downloads the songs from that CD off of the internet, is that fine as well?
    What if a person OWNS a store purchased VHS tape of a Muppet Show, can they download that off the internet? What if the download is DVD quality and looks better then the VHS tape, or has an extra that the VHS doesn't?

    Just a whole bunch of theoretical questions to ponder and debate :)


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