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Is Gonzo Being phased out?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by dwayne1115, May 25, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the comparison. As you can see, the eyes are much smaller, the lids are heavier, even the mouth shape is still and off. The nose is too perfect, and Muppet Babies proportioned... it's not that expressive, and it hurts the performance.
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  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I was watching the movie recently and had noticed that, aside from deleted scenes, between the scene with Gonzo quitting his plumbing business and his blowing the trumpet in the opening he does seem to just be there alot (just like many lesser characters in the film). I don't recall him doing anything real interesting in the clean-up montage. It's a shame he didn't sing a line in the finale.
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  3. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Miss Piggy's construction was greatly improved while Gonzo's design declined. Dave Goelz is a brilliant performer and could get a great performance out of a sock puppet, but there's something particularly magic with the post 90's/pre TM Gonzo design. That puppet has so much more subtlety and range. It's the difference between a Baby Grand and a Casio. A talented person could get a stunning performance from either, but I'd prefer the finer instrument like the one who appears with his handler here...
  4. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    I felt sad that Gonzo couldn't be part of the Rainbow Connection song with all those other Muppets, since he was still twirling that bowling ball. But at least Gonzo's bowling ball was what saved the day in the end.

    In the Disney cruise show called Muppet's Ahoy. I heard that Brett O'Quinn performed Gonzo. Do you think Brett might take over as Gonzo someday?
  5. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    where did u hear this? lol
  6. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

  7. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

  8. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I'd have posted them if I knew of any. Maybe you should do a search. :cluck::concern:
  9. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm very conflicted about that concept. On the one hand, it puts Gonzo in a position where he was barely there near the end of the movie, but on the other hand it gave us a big pay off for a gag that should have been a running gag if the film editors weren't so clumsy.

    Still, to say he's being phased out after only one movie where he has a diminished presence isn't really the case. Most of the last Muppet projects focused more on Gonzo than on Kermit (MCC-MFS and then LTS) so I guess it was a way of averaging everything out.
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  11. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I think the real question that we should all ask ourselves is this:

    Are they phasing Wayne and Wanda IN???
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  12. Gonzo14

    Gonzo14 Well-Known Member

    Good Question

    With Wayne, Wanda, Thog, Uncle Deadly, etc suddenly reappearing in this movie, it does bring up the question, will we see them more.

    They had specific jokes and roles in The Muppets, so who knows if it was a one time thing, but it also seems like a waste to re-build these puppets not to use them more.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's kinda what I've been saying. They have all these rare characters that never had much of an onscreen presence, and we're sweating the ones that were the focus of the last few projects.

    Still, it stinks that Gonzo was mostly in the deleted scenes. Too bad an Avengers length Muppet Movie is out of the question. I'd LOVE to see a re-released Donner Cut of The Muppets.
  14. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I think it's time for them to hit the stage again (and then see if the stage will hit back)!
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  15. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Or are Wayne and Wanda just a phase?

    Is Gonzo waning?
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  16. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    (I can't help but wonda...)
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  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I Wanda'd lonely as a cloud, er the vale of the hills...
  18. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Its so funny that I stumbled onto this thread today because, as I was watching the Muppet Show a couple of days ago, I was wondering the same thing. Wayne and Wanda were a surprise as was Uncle Deadly. I felt like that was so random. But I was a little disappointed by the way that Gonzo was presented. I've always liked Gonzo and he really wasn't showcased much. Granted, the focus of the movie really wasn't about the relationship between all of the muppets (Outside of Kermit and Piggy) but sometimes it did feel a little like the movie makers were just going "Hey! Remember these guys? Cool right? Now back to Walter."
    But if that's a start then it's not a bad one. SO long as the next movie finesses these kinks it might be alright. Like I said, for what the movie was trying to do, I suppose it was alright. Obviously you can't please everyone. I would have liked more, but I understand why there wasn't.
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  19. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    That's such an interesting point about the first season of the Muppet Show being less about Gonzo (I've read interviews where Dave suggests he didn't really 'get' Gonzo's character until season 2 anyway) so I suppose it makes sense for something more nostalgic to focus less on his character.

    However, I think its more a case of his having been the center-focus of the last half a dozen movies (Since MCC) so its about time the others got a central role for a change.

    Bea:zany:{Although having said that, VMC was totally a Kermit/Fozzie movie}regard
  20. Borples

    Borples Active Member

    I had a bunch of issues with how Gonzo was presented in the movie. For one, he was missing a sidekick. And I hated that he had to miss all of the big Muppet moments at the end of the film, like Rainbow Connection. And there wasn't enough of him in general.

    But the one that gets me the most was the part where the others went to collect him. I just couldn't buy cold businessman Gonzo. And that was supposed to have been his persona for twenty years? Even if he was still zany on the inside. I just don't think Gonzo has 'corporate CEO' in him, at all. That part felt very forced by the writing.

    But hey, that was just one movie. On to the next, and may Gonzo have several excuses to say "Cool!" in it. :)

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