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Deja vu all over again

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by newsmanfan, Jul 6, 2011.

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  1. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Here are your Muppet News headlines for tonight! ...Prominent Republicans promise that tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and corporations will benefit the entire economy and trickle down to the unemployed! And a spokesman for Exxon says the recent oil spill was "not as bad as has been feared" and that precautions have already been taken so that it never happens ag...wait.

    *shuffles through notes*

    All right. What joker gave me the headlines from 1989?

    *stomps off in a huff*

    ... Anyone else getting that "been there, heard that" feeling of late? Just how dumb, or short of memory, do the politicos and CEOs think the populace is? Even scarier...ARE they that dumb and short of attention-span? Thoughts, anyone?
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  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm a little confused, was the remarks of tax breaks for the wealthy serious, or were you joking? I mean, either wa I know it's going to happen, because Republicans don't let Obama do anything, and they don't want the wealthy to part with one red cent of their precious moolah that they sit around on on their big fat hineys, like Prince John always wanting more money from those who didn't have money.

    I mean, seriously, Republicans drive this country into the dirt,then they point fingers at Obama, and other Democrats for failing to live up to their promises, rather than take responsibility fo theri actions... like how they say, "Obama didn't inherit a bad econom,y he created i!" But, WHO was sitting in the White House, as Commander-in-Chief, when the recession first hit us in 2007? Hmm? Who refused to offer aid to the victims of Katrina, as well as accept aid from ally countries who wanted to help? Who got us into war with the Middle East because of 9-11? And aside from him, who's always wanting to take money and income away from middle and lower class Amiercans? Who's always trying to do away with benefits like Social Security and Food Stamps? Who ***** on the poor and puts more cash into the pockets of people like Trump? I mean, I'm glad Obama's healthcare has been appealed, because that is going to ensure everybody in America, inspite of their income, with the same quality of medical attention and treatment, whereas Republicans wanted to go back to the days where a rich guy with a papercut gets better attention than the poor guy who was shot int he chest and was fighting for his life.

    So... yeah... it's a great, big, wonderful world we live in... I feel sorry for people in different countries who believe in the fairy tale that America is the land of opportunity... like that episode of the Chipmunks where The Chipettes were babies, fleeing Australiafor America, and thinking they were in the wrong place, because they didn't see any streets that were paved in gold.
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    As rough as we have it, we're ten times more fortunate than most of the world. It's easy to forget that.

    But Newsmanfan makes a great point, all these "current events" have been building up for decades, silently waiting to burst. Plus we keep voting in the same two corrupt parties and then wondering why nothing ever seems to change.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yes, but one corrupt party came up with the cockamamie "Trickle Down" theory that doesn't work. Say what you will, at least Clinton left us with a considerable chunk of change with his tax increases that the last guy blew. I mean, yeah... they both suck, but I am NO friend of anyone who wants favors for people who have the means to help themselves.

    We're in the best economy we've had since Clinton left, companies are breaking record profits, CEO's are getting record pay, and at the same time the unemployment isn't budging. Something is painfully wrong here. The general public still thinks we're in a recession when nothing could be further from the truth YET they couldn't be more correct.

    I've been saying since the Bush years, these companies beg for tax cuts and subsidiaries so they can invest in new technologies and promise jobs... but all they do is use it to fund moving overseas so they can get another tax loophole and use the rest to pad their profits when no one is actually buying anything. I keep seeing stores go under because no one's buying anything anymore. Prices keep going up. The poor can't compete or contribute to capitalism.

    I'm sorry, but all the anti-Big government anti-socialists are angry at the wrong party. We have a HUGE government giving welfare checks to big companies. GE not only doesn't pay taxes, but gets more money from the government than it would have to pay. Why is the nation blind to this? The tax burden falls on us schmucks who barely can make ends meet and it goes to the companies that flip us off while they move the plant to a country known for human rights violations so they can pay slave wages and get more tax breaks? We actually PAY companies out of OUR tax dollars to make sure that CEO's get paid billions for making bad decisions?

    How come everyone was in a huff when we had to bail out the banking industry and the motor manufacturing industry? We've been bailing out big business for years before that. And they weren't even failing and pulling the country down with them.

    And what's the excuse? It's job killing. We haven't had any government work projects pass, they killed the tax break for small start up business bill, they refuse to have any clean air technology projects done... and not making sure big companies get borderline sexual monetary favors is the thing that's job killing?

    The Reps are doing just what they were elected to do. Sucker people into voting for them so they can keep big business fat, lazy, and stupid while we get fed to them by the shovelful. That ISN'T capitalism.
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  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well it would have also been nice if Clinton could have taken care of that Bin Laden thing for us, instead of embarrassing himself and his office.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    He actually tried to. The Reps wouldn't let him. in fact, the Reps were SO heckbent on impeaching him for lying about sex (A MAN?!? Lying about SEX?!?! egad! Someone needs to punish that guy while I go... uh.. not boff an intern) that any legislation passed about sending military to Afghanistan at that period in time would be stalled indefinitely. They even referred to it, once he announced it, as Wagging the Dog.

    Of course, by that means, it would have been nice if we just gave the Russians Afghanistan instead of perpetuating the Cold War another decade and training the very same people who would later want to attack us.

    it also would have been nice if Bush wasn't such a loyal lap dog to the wealthiest one percent and raised taxes to help pay for the wars he wanted the country to be blood thirsty enough to enter.
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I don't deny that the Republicans obviously try to block the Democrats. But I do not buy that the Democrats are just so eager to do the right thing by us if only they were allowed to. It's just easier for them to have the best excuse in the world every time, "Waaaa! I tried, they won't let me!"

    And the impeach wouldn't have happened if Clinton hadn't been such a fool in the first place, period.

    Definitely can't argue with that. ;)
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    In politics, especially America's checks and balances, if a major side won't let you do something, they won't let you do it no matter how much you beg and plead. Yes, we should have nipped him in the bud 2 years before 9/11 happened, but there was no way he could if he was constantly blocked due to a major conspiracy to get him impeached for basically getting some one the side, like EVERYONE that was persecuting him was doing.

    The president and, of all people, the wife of Jay Leno were trying to bring the plight of Afghan women to the attention of the public, but the public would rather be distracted by Clinton's sexual deviancy brought to the attention of a country of sexual deviants by sexual deviant politicians. In fact, I only remember hearing about Afghan women at the time from a teacher who had a student write a report on it. So let's face it, it's everyone's fault for dropping that ball.

    That said, Clinton raised the heck out of taxes, but let a LOT of right wing pro-big business ideas in as well. Like the whole FCC deregulation thing. Still not a fan of letting him pass that.
  9. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I'll just say that my eyes were opened to this when I worked as a temp in a bank. I filled out the "waaah, we earn mostly cash and we couldn't possibly keep up with it all, despite the fact we print out RECEIPTS an' stuff, so we shouldn't have to get taxed" paperwork myself.
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  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    SHHHH!! You'll hurt one of the government's girlfriends' feelings!
  11. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I know, I am so, SOOOOO evil, LOL. :)
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Persecuting? Oh poor, poor Clinton, lol. But I do agree about the hypocrisy.

    That's what I've been saying. Both parties are corrupt, neither is our friend. The Republicans don't want you to hear about the plight of Afghan women for "econonic reasons" (heh). The Democrats don't want you to hear about it because of some misguided idea of "tolerance." (Here's a hint, you're not supposed to tolerate the oppressors!).
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They wanted an excuse to impeach him so they could get one of their own in there, and they knew the guy was a womanizing sex fiend... all the while Gingrich.... well, where do I begin with him? And it came out that most of the fiercest of those who prosecuted him were getting some on the side as well.

    That said, Clinton DID want to go over there, Congress wouldn't let him. Sort of like how Obama wants to raise taxes, and Congress won't let him. You can promise anything, but outside forces can break your promise for you.
  14. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    True, but they weren't the President. ;)

    And the Democrats continue to have a convenient excuse. I'm not saying it's not true, it is. Just saying I don't have faith in the Democrats even without Republican interference.
  15. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

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    Well, both parties need serious reform, yes. But any party which kowtows to a small group of uneducated, aggressively stupid extremists (yeah, Teabaggers, I'm lookin' at you) is automatically a failure. Period.
    Have read through all you guys have said here, and agree with much of it. My question, though, remains: do the party-of-the-one-percent and the CEOs of companies like Exxon-Mobil really count on the American populace to be so memory-impaired that they can get away with spouting the same lies? (And yes D'Snowth: the trickle-down theory, not in so many words, is EXACTLY what the Repubs have been arguing in the House, in interviews -- Rick Santorum being one of the worst offenders -- and in print. "Oh no, we can't tax the rich or the corporations! They NEED that money to stimulate the economy! It will benefit EVERYONE if you let them make profits hand over fist!" Cough, cough, trickledownReaganomics, cough, cough.)
    The failure of the public to seek out answers disgusts me on a regular basis, unfortunately...plenty of people today were around in the 1980s and it's the same tired stuff all over again which never worked the first time...and yet SOMEONE elected these idiots, presumably in the belief that the Repubs would fight FOR them, not against them!
    I just wonder how to keep it from happening AGAIN.
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  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The two party system is just broken. It's illogical to expect real change when all we do is switch off from the same two parties over and over again. There can be no result other than business as usual.

    For me, there are issues that both parties manage to be right about. We do need both to survive, but instead both sides just demonize the other. And I mean this for both conservatives and liberals; you're both wrong and you're both right. DEAL WITH IT! ;)
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Oh man... I could just go on for hours on this one. The Tea Party was just pathetic. It came out of internet rumors and half truths in books written by Dr. Nick Riviera types that didn't want Health Care reform. And then we had all this B.S. about small government... and I'm going to really rail on that one. I will say at least a small majority of them are opposed to the wars, but still... most of them WANTED the wars to begin with.

    What bugs me is that the Tea Party is clearly a Libertarian based movement (I have problems with them too) but it turned into a Right Wing "Let's blame everything on the new guy so we can get them to vote for the same exact Bush policies they decided they didn't like all the sudden." It became the "Let's overthrow a dictator" movement, and by dictator, they really mean someone they didn't vote for and became cry babies over. And they're acting a MILLION times worse than the left wing cry babies when Bush was re-elected.

    So basically we have these constant Republicans voting for the same Republicans even though they're poser Libertarians. Basically Libertarianism I link to old prospectors, sitting on their front porch with a shot gun protecting a tiny gold nugget going "Git Offa mah land, er I'll BLLLLLLOOOOOOW yer head off!" They're afraid of an imaginary government coming down and taking their freedoms to... uh... and they're also DEATHLY afraid of taxes, and they don't want ANY tax dollars to go to anything, so we all have to home school unless we're privileged enough to afford private school. They want to go back to Revolutionary times and take EVERYTHING in the Constitution literally. Basically it's a fringe group. Why the Tea Bag Bunch doesn't just vote for those politicians, I don't know.

    But Big Business LOVES the idea of small government and will stop at nothing to drill it into the soft heads of conspiracy theorists. They like the idea of more deregulation and less tax money (if they even pay, that is). But guess who's going to be crying to the government when all the booze and hooker money runs out? Big fat fatso lardbutt Business.

    Here's something to chew on... Unemployment went back up to 9.2 percent... the Market's in the high 12,000's again... almost 13,000. That's the best market we've seen in years. Something is WRONG! Sure, the market dipped to the very high 11,000's for a week because the oil prices were dragging down the economy and no one was buying anything and small flecks of countries are defaulting on loans. meanwhile CEO's are getting record paychecks for rewarding their refusal to hire anyone and sending their stocks even higher.

    I understand everyone wants to get rid of those big evil entitlements like Social Security that people earn, Medicare people need, and unemployment, but no one wants the corporate welfare of subsidiaries and unfairly high tax cuts? And when elected those tax cuts will be even bigger? We don't want health care, but we're afraid of Big Oil losing it's precious "Let's pretend to be environmental, but keep people hooked on our crack" money? That's Stockholm Syndrome. No wonder why the populous is forced to love Ronald Reagan! He was the first one to put the big companies on Welfare!
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  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    And you know what really annoys me? How old is Palin? Like in her 40s or so? And she always talks like she's a 16-year-old, all smarmy and "popular girl"-esque and such, especially when she or her daughter can't take criticism from other people, though they're quick to dish it out.
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Something that needed to be said. She's basically that nasty popular girl that called us all geeks and sicked their thug boyfriends on us if we were guys and made us bulimic if we were girls. She comes from a beauty pageant background, if things weren't bad enough. And she can't even control her own misbehaving kids. Say what you will about the President... at least he can make his daughters behave. Actually.. every female Tea party candidate comes from that beauty pageant, Queen Bee toxic high school student that makes everyone miserable culture. How come all right wing female politicians look like plastic Barbies and left wing ones look like lesbian stereotypes?
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Apparently they don't, according to Bristol, they all look like they're trying to be clones of her mother.

    I dont know about you guys, but I was cheering when I heard that someone tried to pelt Palin with tomatoes at one of her book signings.

    Speaking of that book, how ridiculous is it that she's taken a word that's generally a negative term ("Rogue"), and has taken it out of context to make it into something positive (like the reverse of the mdia taking a positive word like "Curvy" and made it into a negative word but in a polite manner).

    Also, did you hear that they're also trying to trademark the names "Sarah Palin" and "Bristol Palin"? Good lord, she isn't a politician, and she's not a politician's daughter, they'reParis Hilton-esque socialites.


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