Respectful Politics Thread (Let's Just See)

[D'Snowth]

Probably because Donald and Melania are afraid people will make fun of them.

But on a serious note, I'm a little baffled that even Fox News is supporting Acosta and CNN as they sue the White House over Trump having Acosta fired . . . for doing his job.

 

[MikaelaMuppet]

They should still attend and respect the people getting honored.

 

[MWoO]

Probably because Donald and Melania are afraid people will make fun of them.

But on a serious note, I'm a little baffled that even Fox News is supporting Acosta and CNN as they sue the White House over Trump having Acosta fired . . . for doing his job.

Because they understand that positions of power change and when you allow government control over basic rights you are allowing future government the same authority. Today it is Acosta because Trump is in office, in 2 year it might be John Roberts if there is a democratic president.

True conservatism is about preserving the bill of rights and thinking that people are better off making their own choices. True conservatives believe the role of federal government is simply to protect its citizens from harm and maintain a sovereign nation. All powers not outlined in the constitution should be given to the states, which is why we have a separation of power between state and federal. It's why conservatives believe that all speech should be allowed, especially unpopular speech, because what is popular today may not be tomorrow. The government should have no power to take away what the founding fathers deemed inalienable rights. Conservatism allows for the idea that people are not naturally good and will do what is in their best interest, so we should not give politicians too much power as they will only do what is best for them and not the people.

True liberalism is about believing giving government power to control whats good for the people as a whole. There is a belief in autonomy, but the public good is the responsibility of government. It's why they believe the government should provide for its people, not just protect its people. It is good for society for the government to provide and control health. It is good for the government to provide and control food production. It is good for the government to provide and control education. So on and so on. Liberalism requires that people are naturally good and this will always do what is right for the others. It's why liberals are ok with giving the government power over speech (like hate speech laws) because they can't imagine that power being used for evil purposes.

Conservatives being against Trump on the Acosta situation is actually not surprising. They ought to be outraged if they are true conservatives. The only reason liberals are outraged is because it's Trump doing it. If this was a FOX News reporter being kicked out by Obama, liberals wouldn't care as much and you probably wouldn't hear much about it. Being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing, and you can be a conservative democrat.

 

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Because they understand that positions of power change and when you allow government control over basic rights you are allowing future government the same authority. Today it is Acosta because Trump is in office, in 2 year it might be John Roberts if there is a democratic president.

True conservatism is about preserving the bill of rights and thinking that people are better off making their own choices. True conservatives believe the role of federal government is simply to protect its citizens from harm and maintain a sovereign nation. All powers not outlined in the constitution should be given to the states, which is why we have a separation of power between state and federal. It's why conservatives believe that all speech should be allowed, especially unpopular speech, because what is popular today may not be tomorrow. The government should have no power to take away what the founding fathers deemed inalienable rights. Conservatism allows for the idea that people are not naturally good and will do what is in their best interest, so we should not give politicians too much power as they will only do what is best for them and not the people.

True liberalism is about believing giving government power to control whats good for the people as a whole. There is a belief in autonomy, but the public good is the responsibility of government. It's why they believe the government should provide for its people, not just protect its people. It is good for society for the government to provide and control health. It is good for the government to provide and control food production. It is good for the government to provide and control education. So on and so on. Liberalism requires that people are naturally good and this will always do what is right for the others. It's why liberals are ok with giving the government power over speech (like hate speech laws) because they can't imagine that power being used for evil purposes.

Conservatives being against Trump on the Acosta situation is actually not surprising. They ought to be outraged if they are true conservatives. The only reason liberals are outraged is because it's Trump doing it. If this was a FOX News reporter being kicked out by Obama, liberals wouldn't care as much and you probably wouldn't hear much about it. Being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing, and you can be a conservative democrat.

You mean like all those liberals who try to tell consenting adults what they can do in their bedrooms, who they can marry and what they can belong to?

 

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If this was a FOX News reporter being kicked out by Obama, liberals wouldn't care as much and you probably wouldn't hear much about it.

It would also have never happened.

 

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Because they understand that positions of power change and when you allow government control over basic rights you are allowing future government the same authority. Today it is Acosta because Trump is in office, in 2 year it might be John Roberts if there is a democratic president.

True conservatism is about preserving the bill of rights and thinking that people are better off making their own choices. True conservatives believe the role of federal government is simply to protect its citizens from harm and maintain a sovereign nation. All powers not outlined in the constitution should be given to the states, which is why we have a separation of power between state and federal. It's why conservatives believe that all speech should be allowed, especially unpopular speech, because what is popular today may not be tomorrow.

You mean like the conservatives who said flag burning was protected speech?

 

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Being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing, and you can be a conservative democrat.

Sure. That’s why Democrats used to be so popular in the South. They were conservatives that believed in States’ rights, like the right to impose segregation and discrimination against African Americans. Then the Democrats adopted all these radical liberal ideas like the federal government having the power to make states recognize everyone’s civil rights. Hence, the conservative South is now Republican.

 

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Because they understand that positions of power change and when you allow government control over basic rights you are allowing future government the same authority. Today it is Acosta because Trump is in office, in 2 year it might be John Roberts if there is a democratic president.

True conservatism is about preserving the bill of rights and thinking that people are better off making their own choices. True conservatives believe the role of federal government is simply to protect its citizens from harm and maintain a sovereign nation. All powers not outlined in the constitution should be given to the states, which is why we have a separation of power between state and federal. It's why conservatives believe that all speech should be allowed, especially unpopular speech, because what is popular today may not be tomorrow. The government should have no power to take away what the founding fathers deemed inalienable rights. Conservatism allows for the idea that people are not naturally good and will do what is in their best interest, so we should not give politicians too much power as they will only do what is best for them and not the people.

True liberalism is about believing giving government power to control whats good for the people as a whole. There is a belief in autonomy, but the public good is the responsibility of government. It's why they believe the government should provide for its people, not just protect its people. It is good for society for the government to provide and control health. It is good for the government to provide and control food production. It is good for the government to provide and control education. So on and so on. Liberalism requires that people are naturally good and this will always do what is right for the others. It's why liberals are ok with giving the government power over speech (like hate speech laws) because they can't imagine that power being used for evil purposes.

Conservatives being against Trump on the Acosta situation is actually not surprising. They ought to be outraged if they are true conservatives. The only reason liberals are outraged is because it's Trump doing it. If this was a FOX News reporter being kicked out by Obama, liberals wouldn't care as much and you probably wouldn't hear much about it. Being a conservative is not necessarily a bad thing, and you can be a conservative democrat.

An interesting book, but a work of fiction.

 

[MWoO]

You mean like all those liberals who try to tell consenting adults what they can do in their bedrooms, who they can marry and what they can belong to?

Again, you miss the point. True conservatism vs. what conservatism has become.

I actually outline one of the the hypocritical political beliefs a few pages back when talking about abortion. When talking about core values, supporting Roe v. Wade should actually a conservative view. It calls for less legislation and says the government should not have the power to make laws that interfere with basic rights. This is a conservative view. However, conservatives also tend to attract religious people who don't usually see Roe v. Wade as a rights issue, they see it as a religious issue.

You are confusing political conservatism with religious conservatism. Most people are actually politically conservative, in that they don't think the government should be governing our daily lives. It's basically what the libertarian party stands for since the connotative meaning of conservatism has changed.

So I suppose I am more libertarian than anything else. I don't think there should be any law saying who can use what bathroom. It's simply not a legal issue and should be decided by society. Same with marriage. Deciding who you get to marry is not the job of government.

 

[MWoO]

An interesting book, but a work of fiction.

Why do you pick apart a post and then respond to it 3 different times?

Edit: I'm sorry, 5 different times. You say I wrote a book but at least it's one post.

Sure. That’s why Democrats used to be so popular in the South. They were conservatives that believed in States’ rights, like the right to impose segregation and discrimination against African Americans. Then the Democrats adopted all these radical liberal ideas like the federal government having the power to make states recognize everyone’s civil rights. Hence, the conservative South is now Republican.

Correct. Parties can change over time and evolve. The civil war was essentially what you described, states rights vs. civil rights. The southern states did not believe the federal government had the right to abolish slavery since it was not outlined in the constitution. This was because salves were not seen as people or citizens. It's also why the 14th amendment was passed.

I agree that the federal government can impose laws that prevent state government from infringing on the personal liberties of citizens. It's a checks and balance. The federal government is there to ensure all citizens are protected, including protect of guaranteed basic rights. Laws should only be passed to protect rights, not limit rights.

This does not mean that conservatism is inherently racist. It means that conservatism can be used by racists to justify their views. Just like liberalism isn't inherently socialist, but it can be used by socialists to justify their socialist views.