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Your Thoughts: "Muppet Guys Talking" premieres on-line March 16, 2018

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Mar 16, 2018.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I cannot believe we get Muppet gold and people are complaining.....sad.
  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One thing I've been curious about is, before this was even shot, how close were Frank Oz and Bill Barretta? I've heard about Frank referring to Bill as "the new guy", but it seems they didn't work together on many projects. Most of the major productions the two worked on (Muppet Treasure Island, Muppets Tonight, Muppets from Space), Frank's availability was a bit limited, with him primarily only doing voices and only being on set for a few days. In the case of Muppets Tonight, I think he was on set performing his characters a lot, and it's clear he was there for the main taping dates for some episodes (don't know if he was available for all days of shooting or if it was on par with how much time the guest stars spent on the taping dates), but I think a lot of sketches with his characters were shot on a single day and inserted into multiple episodes (though I've mostly heard this from fans online, maybe it's an assumption).

    Just because the two didn't exactly work together that often doesn't mean that they couldn't have been good friends regardless (and it seems like Frank still hangs out with his fellow performers, maybe Bill was included among his group of friends through the other performers), but it is a bit interesting to think.
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  3. Froggy Fool

    Froggy Fool Well-Known Member

    So me and @gavry3 streamed Muppet Guys Talking (he'd seen it before, I hadn't) and oh my giddy aunt it was FANTASTIC!

    The cool thing about it was - it didn't matter if you were a hardcore fan or just a casual one. There was something for everybody! Although there were many stories that I've heard before, there were also many that I hadn't. One of the best types of stories was about dangerous puppeteering. I won't give away the details, but those stories had me laughing so hard!!

    So yeah. There was nothing flashy or fancy or mind-blowing about this documentary, just simple. And as Jim Henson said, "Simple is good."

    Overall I give this a 9.5/10!
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  4. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    This is a treasure for so many reasons, but one that stands out to me is Jerry Nelson. Did anyone else notice that he had a pony tail kind of like Floyd's?

    Did anyone else also notice how Frank really lit up when he talked about both Richard and Jim? You can tell he and everyone else deeply love and miss them both.

    I also love the fact that Guy Smiley is one of Frank's favorite characters.
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Bill said something in the film about learning from Frank. I think that the frank,Bill relationship is kind of one of Jim and Frank. Jim tight Frank through his actions, and now I think Frank is doing that with Bill in his own way. I know many people would think that Frank would do that with Eric Jacobson, but he is not.
  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    If someone just can't afford to see this send me a private message and I'll see what I can do to help.
  7. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

    I would love to see this myself.
  8. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    The only thing I can complain about the film is the use of B-roll clips and photos in the crummiest quality. Like, a lot of them were ripped right from YouTube, and there was one photo of Jim on the Sesame set that had a huge watermark across it. I don't think it would've been hard to contact Craig or Karen at the Jim Henson Legacy and get some good quality stuff.
  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think they did that on purpose to show that the film was not perfect. As Frank would say character flaws like Rowlf playing a slightly out of tune piano.

    They may have also wanted to make it feel like the performers were sharing their own photos.
  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I get that Frank wanted a "raw" movie, by having shots with camera men and the whole coffee break bit. But by that logic, they might as well have recorded the thing on camcorders from 1998. The film itself looks good, I don't see why they wouldn't want their b-roll to be the same.
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  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Unless Frank did not want to involve Henson at all. Which would be odd,but another possibility, but I did notice that Debbie McCain was thanked, so I didn't know.
    The division of JHC Muppet Studios and Sesame Workshop has probably brought some division with the prefomers, and those companies.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2018
  12. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but they still had to be able to use those clips, regardless. And they credited the use of the Muppet music during the intro and credits, not the footage.

    They wouldn't have to really go to Disney or Sesame for stuff; the Jim Henson Legacy has it all. Just shoot an email saying, "Hey Craig / Karen. Can we get some footage of Waiter Grover or Kermit playing the banjo in the swamp?"
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I have realized that Frank talks about The Muppets, and Disney, and he talks about Sesame Street. He doesn't however talk about the Jim Henson Company, or it's projects. I'm almost surprised that during all of his interview s he has done no one has asked him about the new Dark Crystal coming out. There maybe some Ill feelings between Henson and Frank, but that is all speculation.
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  14. Prof Bunsen

    Prof Bunsen Well-Known Member

    Wait, there's a new Dark Crystal coming out?

    Besides the point, Jim and Frank had always been friends since Jim first saw him at a puppet convention back in the early 1960s. They were like brothers-in-arms. Maybe he just doesn't talk about the JHC that much since they haven't been putting out a whole lot of input as of late, even though their new collaboration with Sonar on the sci-fi show "Rift" looks interesting.
  15. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Considering it was always produced by Sesame Workshop, I wonder how much video footage from Sesame Street the JHC Archives has copies of (it seems like they do have copies of a lot of guest appearances owned by other companies, so maybe they do have copies of the show). I'd be willing to bet they'd have copies of Jim Henson's film segments, but would they have full episodes or many Muppet inserts?
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  17. vettech28

    vettech28 Well-Known Member

    I loved it! I even learned some things I never knew about before. For example, how the dog chase scene from “The Great Muppet Caper” was done!

    I laughed whenever they laughed! It’s great that they’re all still friends after so many years. It was great to see Jerry in the film, too.
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  18. cahuenga

    cahuenga Well-Known Member

    I loved the entire film! is pure gold!!! I loved seing Dave talking like Frank, can´t wait to see them performing together again!!!
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  19. Froggy Fool

    Froggy Fool Well-Known Member

    I didn't know that either; that was probably the most interesting story that they told imo.
  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    @Oscarfan Victoria and Frank are doing a Question and answer today. I'm going to try and find out about the pictures and videos quality for ya.

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