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Your Thoughts: Lady Gaga and The Muppets Holiday Spectacular on ABC

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    AFV's ending soon actually.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Uh, no, not everybody has YouTube... a lot of people out there don't even have regular internet access, or even home computers... but almost everybody does have broadcast television.

    And besides, nobody goes on YouTube to watch the kinds of things they show on AFV, they go to look for old shows and movies that aren't available on DVD or being shown on TV.
  3. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Shows like AFV are becoming more and more obsolete. Most people have internet access by way of laptop, smart phone or library card. Internet access something that accommodates rich and poor alike. I have friends who plug their laptops in McDonald's. Free wifi is everywhere for the cost of a chicken sandwich. But I'm sure there are some people who fall outside of that.

    Anyway, shows like AFV are geared toward elderly audiences and they don't really drive programming choices. That's obvious from the amount of risque programs and lack of Matlock. Anyway, the kind of auds that would watch AFV on a Sunday night, would probably just as well watch it on a Friday night to help clear the way for a Muppets show on Sunday. It's moved timeslots before and Friday night would cut off a huge segment of youthful Muppet fans who'd likely have plans for the weekend. Sunday really is the best time for a Muppet Show because the weekend is over, families are settling in and everyone is ready for a good laugh. That's my point. ;) It's really the only place it fits on ABC and I'd want it to be on network TV.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Boy, we're really ready to get off topic, aren't we?

    I'm completely dumbfounded by television shows about what's on the internet. Stuff like Culture Click (they're mostly low budget pap for kids or something). If you don't have the internet (and there are some that do), why would you want to watch a TV show about it?

    As for AFV:

    I certainly hope so.

    But yeah. Youtube. Even if you don't have access, chances are, you'll see viral videos somewhere. One of their friends, maybe... Ellen shows them non-stop on her talk show. There's no need for AFV when the same exact videos are available other places. And AFV never got the bonus of completely inappropriate far right racist comments. ;) But I've noticed that they stopped producing filler TV shows (mostly for NBC) about crappy found videos like that. The TV media has never been faster to kill a meme by referencing it (Gangam Style was worn out in less than a few months, it took a couple years for them to ruin "Never gonna Give You Up.")

    As for the Muppets having a primetime slot on a major network, I just keep thinking of JHH (barely a season) and MT (one season on broadcast, the second on cable) vs TMS (five years), Fraggle Rock (5 years), and Sesame Street (45 years). The only Muppet program to work on a network was that Saturday Morning cartoon. And that's because it was a Saturday Morning Cartoon and had a lot of merchandise. There are so many reports of TV watchers wanting The Muppets back on TV... but will that translate to actually watching it?
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  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I get a little sick of the whole, "We must, must, must reel in the younger crowd, because they're the only ones who watch TV," mindframe that networks have, because older people do watch TV. I know networks have been that way since, well, really, the beginning of television (after all, that whole Rural Purge of the early 70s was canceling shows right and left because apparently only old people and rednecks watched them), but I mean, to cater only target audience is really doing more harm than good to the television industry, because there's really no meeting of the masses anymore... a new Muppet show could very well be a solution to that, but it was have to be done right.
    Because the format of the show makes it all the more interesting. Take CLIPAHOLICS on truTV, for example: you've got Jason Alexander providing wonderful dry and sarcastic, yet hilariously funny narrations for the clips featured, and that's really what makes the clips funny, because the clips by themselves really aren't that great to begin with, unless they're being made fun of.

    And like I said, people don't go onto the internet to look for this stuff at all, they really don't, they go to look for shows and movies that aren't available else where in other formats (VHS, DVD, whatever).
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's probably an exception to the rule. Culture Click isn't so much about web vidoes as it's about dry educational facts that they pretend to look up on the internet.

    I shouldn't complain, since it's banished to the depths of qubo where no one can see it, but still... if kids have internet, they're going to play games... not look up dry facts.

    As for the crazy clip things... they never actually show fun clips. I never really cared much for AFV, but really liked America's Funniest People. There's an effort to having to be funny there. Plus, the best place I've been to find the weirdest internet clips possible? Conventions. Anime H**l, to be precise (they air little to no anime, strangely enough. And what they do is ironic). I've woken up to great stuff like Jone's Big @## Truck Rental and Storage and Jones' Good @## BBQ and Foot Massage. not to mention a violent German safety video, the French Pac-Man theme song music video, and just generally funnier stuff than "Man getting hit by football." TV isn't exactly a good place to pass those around. They'd have to pay for them for one thing.
  7. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    I just have to interject that you're way off base on this one. Yes, some people go to look for shows and movies, but that's certainly not what all people do. It's not even what the majority do. If you look at the YouTube videos with the highest views, they're viral sensations. I think you'll find more people are going to YouTube for clips of current shows, amateur news/event footage, videos from friends and family, and YouTube-based channels/shows. The analytics and viewership data just don't hold up to the notion that people go to YouTube just for shows and movies they can't find elsewhere. Like I said, some people go solely/primarily for that reason, but it's a niche market.

    That said, AFV still has a viable audience. A lot of people still want content served up for them rather than searching it out. Also, as previously stated, the commentary is a big draw. It's a shrinking market to be sure, but it's still big enough to justify the small budget of AFV. I find myself oddly placed in this target audience despite my not-that-old-yet age. I can find whatever shows/movies/music I want online without much trouble, and do on occasion, but I'd rather watch pre-programmed TV as it airs than even watch from my DVR. I'd also rather listen to a radio station than iTunes. I love the hands-off nature of it. But I know I'm a dying breed, and even find myself more in DVR/Hulu/iTunes than live TV or radio.

    I like to watch AFV.

    I think there's an audience out there for a Muppet show, but I'm also not sure that network TV is the right place. I would love to think families would sit down together on Sunday night to watch the Muppets, but I don't see it happening.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I honestly use YT more for watching episodes of stuff and openings to obscure international TV shows. And I do slightly agree that it's easier to have the clips sent to you than to have to look for them. Which is what AFV does best. But then again, the difference lies in this. AFV only really offers people getting hurt, babies and animals doing insufferably cute stuff, and the occasional telling an old woman she's going to be a granny with predictable results. While that stuff's on the internet as well, the best videos are staged, and often exist only due to fair use. Stuff you can't really show on TV unless you can work out all those copyrights.

    And while AFV has a nice little place to put their videos, viral videos are usually seen in shows like Ellen and Morning News shows like Today. Virals spread through word of mouth and forwards. While not as convenient as seeing them all on television, they mange to hit much harder than any predictable video used on that show. Though, this will date me, I still remember "I'm HIIIIIIIIIiiiding.... in DA FRONT CLOOOOOOSSSSeeeeeeetttttt." I swear that's where they got the "I'm hiding in the cloooooseeeet... like an IIIIIIIiiiidiot." from Ren and Stimpy.

    Still, AFV served it's purpose. If it came back as a series of specials like it did late 90's and early 00's, that would work. But ABC needs a new thing in their 7 PM timeslot. I just don't think the Muppets is really that.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yes, but it's all politics when it comes to viral videos on YouTube. Most viral videos go viral because the content owner pays YT to make them viral, either because they're a partner channel, or they're an average joe wanting to get noticed, and when YT's paid, they'll do pretty much whatever you want them to, so they'll start featuring the videos on the homepage, where almost everybody will see them, and most people will look, if only out of curiosity, and yes, a lot of them do grow in genuine popularity, but how well do you think some of those viral videos would do if nobody noticed them at all?
  10. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I just watched this for the first time (because I just saw that it was available on Netflix lol). It was... ok. It certainly wasn't a bad special, just kind of awkward and "off". And very obviously a glorified commercial for her Artpop album (which is a good album IMO).

    I just wish that the Muppets had more to do in Gaga's numbers so it felt more like they were really part of the special.

    Obviously the best parts were the Muppet-centric parts like trying to decide what to do for the finale (especially Pepe massaging Gaga) and the little interviews, especially Gonzo and Rizzo (as a '90s kid, I'm so accustomed to that duo). It was weird that the Electric Mayhem just didn't have much to say, except for some great Zoot jokes. Oh well at least they were on screen.

    Kristen Bell was really good on this too, her bit with Bobo was absolutely hysterical.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I still feel the special was originally just Lady Gaga, but they added the Muppets in to promote the movie. The album didn't do well, the movie didn't. A for effort, but something tells me this special jinxed BOTH.

    Plus, they could have done a much better job if they put some thought into it. It was a concert special with Muppet segments added in. Missed opportunities abound, but it's STILL better than that Liberace episode of their old show. He hijacked their own TV show for his own schtick. When he appeared on Batman, at least Batman got to do batman stuff.
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  12. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    It's getting really annoying of everyone pointing out that the muppets can't do well on a primetime network. Hello people, JHH was not a real muppet show, it was Kermit and some random new muppets that were not relevant to auidence back then and have been long forgotten, and the other half-hour had literally nothing to do with the muppets at all!! I can just imagine someone tuning in to the first half and asking themselves where Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo, Animal, or Scooter are, and just Kermit with random new characters cannot make a muppet show. Ya, Gonzo and Link and others eventually appeared but they were not main characters, and I can imagine someone tuning in to the last half and asking themselves "isn't this when the new muppet show is on?". Also NBC didn't exactly help with the timeslot or marketing the show, so that = failure. Muppets Tonight now was a whole different story. That show got cancelled, because it was a time when the muppets were becoming less popular, and also there were people who tuned out, because "Kermit wasn't the host.", and "It wasn't a good show." Nevernthless 2 seasons and 22 episodes was good enough for me. With a new muppet show is Disney really going to make those mistakes? The muppets are popular again so X that out, Disney goes crazy with promotion so X, and Disney will make it close to the origanal TMS, considering how they made the movies like the classic ones, so X again, finally ABC will give it a good timeslot, because they have a partnership, X and now don't you think a new TMS would succed?
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You realize that even at the beginning, The Muppets had no place on prime time television. They got 2 pilots on ABC, but they refused to pick them up as a TV series. And I'm talking THE Muppet Show, here. If it wasn't for syndication, we wouldn't even have had the show in the first place.

    And it's true that JHH's weird format kept NBC and viewers too confused to know what to do with it. But what's MT's excuse? It wasn't getting Boy Meets World ratings and was banished from Friday to Sunday Nights where it died against 60 Minutes.

    The only way the Muppets would succeed in prime time is if the audience and network commitment was there. Not saying it could be, but unless you pull in high ratings right off the bat, cost peanuts to produce, or be the pet project of the network head, a show can't get the room it needs to succeed. Everyone in the biz is too impatient to let a Seinfeld like situation of a show with low ratings at the start flourishing ever again. Instead we get stuff that starts out strong and Peters out in less than 2 or 3 seasons.
  14. JonnyBMuppetMan

    JonnyBMuppetMan Well-Known Member

    This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but am I the only one who thought Kristen Bell's chemistry with Gonzo was just nervous and awkward? A lot of people have noted her as one of the highlights of the special, and I'd be lying if I said I could obviously see why.

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